Their continuing ignorance and a very interesting conversation

Another day, another story of the UK political class moaning about the consequences of EU membership.  This time the Daily Mail reports the ‘news’ that:

The European Commission yesterday revealed budget demands which would cost UK taxpayers £10billion.

Well, that is what governments do, they create taxes when they want to raise more money.  And the face is the EU is our government, despite the people of this country never being asked to give a mandate for it. This blog picked up on comments preparing the way for the EU’s new taxation approach over six months ago being discussed right out there in plain sight.  But what is telling about this EU taxation story is the Mail’s observation that:

In what Treasury officials viewed as one of the most outrageous power grabs in recent memory, they demanded the right to raise a Europe-wide sales tax.

What a load of utter crap.  It is not a power grab.  The EU has been given the power to do this by the quisling politicians sent to Westminster over the last three decades by the voters of this country.

Of course no EU story is complete without Downing Street spokesmen and women rushing forth with comments indicating the supposed frustration and/or outrage of the Cameron-run coagulation.  But what will cast-iron Dave actually do about it?  The answer to that is the sum total of diddly squat.

If Cameron truly wanted this country to be independent once again and run its own affairs he need only call a binding referendum asking the British people if they wish the UK to remain bound by the anti democratic EU.  But as Cameron made clear in November last year, he is keeping that firmly off the table:

I do not believe in an in-out referendum for many reasons. I think we are better off in the European Union—we have to fight our corner very hard—but I would grant a referendum if there were any proposed transfer of powers from Westminster to Brussels.

At least the first part of that sentence was honest. The second part was a lie, as demonstrated so clearly by East Midlands Tory MEP Roger Helmer, who last week in ConservativeHome reminded people that the Conservative-LibDem cobbleition are transferring new powers to the EU faster than the previous Labour administration did. Did any of you spot a passing referendum asking for your permission?

The timing of this is rather amusing as it follows a week after AM had a long chat with a member of the Conservative Party Board.  The board member wanted to know, over two years on, why AM had walked away from the Conservative Party.  They were familiar with the arguments, after all they have heard them time and again as a third of the membership has deserted since Cameron become party leader.

But the board member implored me to understand that Cameron is a man with a plan.  The plan apparently is to pick a fight with the EU next year and use that to justify a referendum he apparently wants, although he will make it appear to his EU friends that he is doing this with all reluctance.  When it was pointed out to the board member that the Cameron led administration has granted more power to the EU in the last year more quickly than Labour managed, AM was told to wait and see.

The notion of Cameron being a strategic genius who will throw off his cloak of Europhilia and reveal his inner democratic nationalist is laughable given the catalogue of pro EU actions to date.  So it seems the ignorance is all pervasive and the effort to make us buy into it is being reinforced at every opportunity.  The gullible constituency where this idea is being swallowed is obvious to all who look – the British media.

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10 Responses to “Their continuing ignorance and a very interesting conversation”


  1. 1 peejos 30/06/2011 at 9:40 am

    Cameron’s so called scheme has all the hall marks of the man sitting in front of a mirror practising how he is going to ask his boss for a pay rise, but in the event actually chickening out.

  2. 2 David Jones 30/06/2011 at 10:11 am

    “… I would grant a referendum …” !!!

    We need to take our country back.

  3. 3 Brian Hall 30/06/2011 at 10:37 am

    What’s a country? From fiefdoms of every size to empires, they’ve had one defining characteristic: they were workable groupings of people and resources, given the culture and governance in place. When those were overwhelmed or broken, the country dissolved or was subsumed by a more competent one.

    On the face of it, the EU bit off more than can be chewed, and could (but only after a horrific denouement) finally demonstrate the near to medium-term inanity of global governance dreams. England may be of governable size; it’s touch and go whether the UK is. Europe is not.

  4. 4 cosmic 30/06/2011 at 1:42 pm

    Tories believing that the Tory Party or Cameron are really going to do something about ‘Europe’ but are biding their time, are like women in abusive relationships who keep going back to the bloke who beats them up, because this time it will be different.

  5. 5 right_writes 30/06/2011 at 2:17 pm

    “I do not believe in an in-out referendum for many reasons. I think we are better off in the European Union…”

    I have to remark here AM, that I agree with Cameron here…

    In the unlikely even that we do manage to trigger such a referendum, the powers that be… which include the idiot boy Cameron… (of course) will persuade the Daily Mail/Sun/Telegraph/Express readers, that we are “better off in” and will vote accordingly, and then the only way out will be an IRA style campaign by English ( British) patriots, and it won’t be pretty.

    I know that we have had this argument before, and if there was a better alternative, I would see your POV ( but there isn’t), the only way out is to vote for a party whose policy is to take us out.

  6. 6 right_writes 30/06/2011 at 2:22 pm

    Sorry AM, this was typed on the infuriating iPad, and I should not have pasted in the bit about staying in the EU, I certainly don’t agree with that bit…

    And also it should have read event…. not even!

  7. 7 DP111 30/06/2011 at 2:34 pm

    Whenever I hear that people are asking the PM, or whoever is the current occupant of no 10, it fills me with despair. The very idea that we have to ask our Great Leader, “Please Sir, please can we have an opportunity to have our say”, is in effect transferring far greater powers to him then any powers being transferred to the EU. We are in effect saying, that not only are we serfs, but we acknowledge that fact. Muslims will say we are dhimmis – that is, we acknowledge our slave status, while we continue to offer our money as tribute, and in humility.

  8. 8 Jack Savage 30/06/2011 at 5:42 pm

    We will only be granted a referendum if those granting it are quite sure we will vote the way they want.

    I think we will have to wait until the whole unit flies apart of it’s own momentum….destructive as that is liable to be.

    “When it was pointed out to the board member that the Cameron led administration has granted more power to the EU in the last year more quickly than Labour managed, AM was told to wait and see.”

    Do not hold your breath, folks!

  9. 9 Edward 01/07/2011 at 12:44 am

    Dave shows no sign of having a pair, he is part of the problem, not the solution – I genuinely think he’s an EU plant into the Blue Socialists/RED Tories – whatever.
    Eton flip-flop fop.

  10. 10 Uncle Badger 02/07/2011 at 9:55 pm

    iDave is undoubtedly the problem. Prior to the last election I recall commenters on various blogs assuring us that the boy was a cast iron Tory at heart and that the moment he was elected he would spring from the closet to reveal his true credentials.

    Well he’s certainly done that, hasn’t he? And in so doing proved those of us who thought him an arrogant, odious, over privileged little wet, entirely right.


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