It’s already been explained over on EURef, you know, the site you think is devoted to staying in the EU…

Don’t be stupid Paul. No one has suggested that and building such a ludicrous strawman shows you’re not arguing the merits but simply attacking me for criticising Farage.

Making up nonsense like that is almost up there with the ‘leave and it will all be ok in the end’ narrative people like you follow, because Farage says nothing different.

And surely, there’s no little irony in someone so keen on ‘decoupling’ feeling completely unable to participate unless he’s coupled.

Paul Perrin (@pperrin) tweeted at 11:37 PM on Tue, Jan 22, 2013:
If Cameron is serious about offering an in/out referendum – we need a complete plan on how ‘leaving’ actually works – just leave? Art 50?

(https://twitter.com/pperrin/status/293865087226224640)

You tell them policy is for as rapid an exit as possible, they come back with realistic, researched options. Present them with your personal ‘research’ to be implemented and prepare to be laughed out of the room.

The level of detail the amatures want to go into is like UKIP members who are defence ‘experts’ – one explaining how only an idiot would support trident and it will cost UKIP the next election; another explaining how only an idiot would abandon trident and such a policy will lose UKIP the next election. All delivered with 100% conviction.

A three week exit looks plausible (and was researched/reviewed) – stopping payments immediately seems 100% the right thing to do.

The big ‘trick’ is to get Cameron to instruct the civil service to do this research NOW as part of his (phoney) renegotiation deal. If cons are serious, how can they refuse?

If we are already too far in (as EUReferendum insists) to get out – he will have’to admit it and explain how this came about on his watch. (He’d never say this is the case)

Roger Helmer

A UKIP MEP, I believe.

http://www.londonlovesbusiness.com/business-news/politics/cameron-is-an-arrogant-pr-man-the-uk-will-leave-the-eu-and-prosper/4516.article

There is no reasoning with these ‘shortcut’ experts who make up their own rules and in whose world they can simply join a party and change it from the inside, enabling them to shout down anyone who dares criticise their beloved leader.

When the Farage fan club are left broken and defeated and stuck with the consequences of giving unswerving fealty to a leader who will undermine the campaign and consign the UK to permanent EU domination, I will be free of it as the country goes down the plug hole.

You all know best. You get on with it.

It is almost as if you have a death wish … you actually want to destroy the economy of the UK – because that is what a “magic wand” withdrawal would do.

The trouble is, I cannot compete with fantasy politics – where you write your own rules, without reference to reality. It’s like building an aeroplane without reference to gravity. Performance-wise, it will always win against the real thing – on paper. But it will never fly.

Audrey. A good question! Some years ago the Democracy Movement ran a campign entitled ‘Stop the cheques’
Again, I suggest that there is theoretically, nothing to stop a British Parliament doing so, by FIRST repealing the 1972 Act which would be the first necessary step and would herald our exit from the EU and our membership fee with it.
Some would still argue that we have no constitutional right to such a course because they claim “EU law is above even our Constitution”
That is absolute nonsense.
Another route would be to invoke the terms of our own existing Bill of Rights of 1689 which is still extant Constitutional law – and it was a Speaker in the Commons who declared in 1993 that the B of R “will be required to be fully respected by all those appearing before the courts”
Constitutional law itself can only be repealed by express intent of Parliament, not by implied repeal via later “laws”, from the EU.

“Its only money”. Indeed, but more to the point, it is OUR money, and does not even belong to our government, let alone the EU!

If you can do better – just go ahead and do it… whats stopping you? But, no its easier to snipe from the side lines, so any set back for any reason whatsoever gives you an excuse to say ‘told you so’.

Just as every critic of evertything always claims that it was their contribution that would have made all the difference.

I think a positive vision for an independent UK is the most important thing right now – shall I simply whine that noone is doing it? And blog and tweet about noone else doing it?

Well, no, I recently masively shifted my focus from party political in/out campaigning to that generic issue of ‘what does an independent UK look like’ while you UKIP knockers do your self-congratulatory, but pointless ‘kreminology’ on details of UKIP that only you are interested in some people are working on getting the PUBLIC engaged…

If the above scenario becomes a reality, then of course there is nothing to stop Parliament from exercising its right to withdraw consent to remaining in the Union. It was a constant refrain from some MPs and sceptics some years ago that what Parliament has granted (to the EU via Treaties) Parliament had the power to reverse and could simply repeal the Act in order to begin a process of withdrawal. That is still a Constitutional right, and of course the UK is not bound by any terms the EU may set, Article 50 not withstanding.
If, in addition, a PM under such a scenario went to the country in a GE, or via a In/Out referendum, recommending an OUT vote then that would dramatically change the whole debate and the die would be cast.
All hypothetical at this stage of course, but not beyond the realms of possibility should the political pendelum swing our way.

Of course that would not solve all problems of unravelling the myriads of the rotten silken cords that bind us overnight, but the point is that these are not insuperable barriers to leaving.
It would roughly parallel the situation after the chaos of WW2 right across Europe, but the question of how to repair the ravages of 6 years war did not arise as a reason for not pursuing the single objective of fighting and defeating the Nazi Fascists.
Once the political will to leave is there, established, and supported by popular consent, then nothing is impossible. Where there is a will, there will be found the way. Article 50 is not sacrosanct, and is certainly not relevant to the political and economic arguments that still need to be made right now.
As a poster above has rightly commented – if UKIP needs “educating” as to improvement to its strategy (or non strategy) then get out there and join it to reform it. Challenge Farage’s ‘simple’ approach Isn’t that that an essential part of the political process for wannabe reformers?