Cameron courts the Islamic street with attack on Israel

Israel can be excused for thinking that with friends like David Cameron it doesn’t need enemies.  It can also be excused for wondering how a man with an Eton and Oxford education can be so lacking in critical faculties. 

The Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, in his desire to cosy up to Turkey and continue the enlargement of the very EU he tries to claim he is sceptical of, has made not one but two false assertions in his speech in Ankara today. The first concerned the flotilla of vessels that aimed to break the blockade of the port in Gaza, about which he said:

The Israeli attack on the Gaza flotilla was completely unacceptable.

It was not an attack at all. Israeli defence forces effected a boarding of a number of vessels to inspect their cargo. The crew of one vessel, Turkish nationals, decided to attack the boarding party with a variety of weapons. It was only when this violence continued that the Israeli personnel had to use lethal force to defend themselves.  This is borne out by video evidence.  The distinction is important and Cameron’s assertion is wrong and unjustified.  Then he continued on the Gaza theme:

Humanitarian goods and people must flow in both directions. Gaza cannot and must not be allowed to remain a prison camp.

The fact is aid and goods do flow into Gaza from Israel.  Israel has attempted to stop certain materials that can have military application from being channeled to Hamas – a terrorist organisation.  Perhaps Cameron has forgotten that Egypt also has restrictions on goods and people crossing its border into Gaza.  If Gaza is a prison camp, then it is remarkably well equipped if overcrowded.  The latest mobile phones, computers and consumer items are all available – although Palestinian profiteers are controlling supplies of some basics in order to drive up prices and increase their own earnings.

Cameron is either ignorant or he is peddling deliberate deceptions to ingratiate himself with the Turks.  Either way the rhetoric only serves in inflame opinion against Israel, which continues to face aggression from groups such as Hamas, countries such as Syria, Lebanon and Iran and their proxies such as Hezbollah.  Presumably Turkish aggression against the Kurds and border incursions into Iraq to attack PKK targets are fine.  It seems on Planet Cameron only Israel should be berated when it stands up to terrorism.

Notably absent from Cameron’s soft soaping of Israel’s opponents was any mention of Hamas’ criminal and terrorist behaviour.  Nothing was said about the Fatah members who were thrown from rooftops in Gaza by Hamas fighters. Nothing was said about Palestinians who fled to Israel for protection and received hospital treatment after being attacked by Hamas members.  No, the only aggressor and party worthy of vilification in that part of the world is Israel and Cameron has demonstrated he will put expediency before honesty.

According to the official record 10,726,614 UK citizens voted for a Conservative government in May.  Instead they got Cameron’s cabal of conservatives in name only. Forget the heir to Blair line. These political pygmies with their own peculiar brand of schoolboy politics are the heirs to David Owen.

Ironically Labour got it right by calling Cameron a chameleon. Unfortunately he changed colour to a pinkish yellow rather than the deep blue conservatives had hoped for. This country swapped one left of centre government for another left of centre government. The Conservative logo was a flag of convenience, nothing more.

One wonders how long the grassroots will stomach this hijack of their party and coup by the Tory wets, whose approach and behaviour handed Blair his triumph in 1997.

26 Responses to “Cameron courts the Islamic street with attack on Israel”

  1. 1 Peter Reynolds 27/07/2010 at 1:54 pm

    Cameron has got this one absolutely right.

    Of course it was an attack. How can you possibly describe it otherwise?

    Goods just dribble into Gaza at present while the evil Israelis starve and bully their neighbours. How can you possibly defend them?

    Well done David Cameron for speaking the truth and standing firm against Israel. Bullies have to be stood up to.

  2. 2 Autonomous Mind 27/07/2010 at 2:43 pm

    What utter rubbish you spout. Video evidence shows what happened. When the Royal Navy’s Armilla patrol sent men to board vessels in the Gulf, were they attacks too?

    It is easy to defend a country that is fighting against a vicious collective of terrorists, many of them state sponsored. The same terrorists that forment violence against Israel support the very terrorists who wish us harm in this country. Perhaps you have forgotten Palestinian terror training camps frequented by various Irish Republican factions? Or maybe you celebrate them?

  3. 3 Peter Reynolds 27/07/2010 at 2:51 pm

    Without wishing to get too personal, the suggestion that your mind is “autonomous” is ludicrous. Israel is an indefensible pariah state, not much better than Iran.

    Whilst there is evil on both sides in the Israel/Palestime conflict, Israel is far, far more in the wrong.

    The Royal Navy doesn’t need to send in commandos agsinst peace activists. Britain is not a tyrannical power like Israel. Israel is the direct cause of a great deal of terrorism in the world.

    You need a serious reality check.

  4. 4 Autonomous Mind 27/07/2010 at 3:05 pm

    I think Peter you would do better to abandon your clone-like moral equivalence.

    How can a country defending itself against continuous terrorism be ‘more wrong’ for taking steps to defend its citizens? That is an obligation of the state. Hamas on the other hand sees it as an obligation upon its members to destroy the Israeli state. No matter what Israel concedes and however many times it has made moves for peace, they have been subjected to further attacks.

    As for your comment about peace activists, it was far from peaceful to club members of the Israeli boarding party with iron bars and stab others with knives. They set out to spark a confrontation. I notice your determination not to acknowledge that those encouraging violence against Israel also threaten other states and are guilty of proliferating violence around the world. Yet you describe Israel as a pariah and the cause of terrorism.

    The words blinkered and deluded do not go far enough to describe your position. I trust that is within your parameters of not being ‘too personal’?

  5. 5 Peter Reynolds 27/07/2010 at 3:21 pm

    Well, my friend, if the gloves are off let me put it this way. You’re bonkers!

    I’m not a clone of anyone.

    Israel is the aggressor in the Middle East. The only thing it’s defending itself against is attacks that it provoked. Its conduct in Gaza and in the settlements is inexcusable and unforgivable. Israel has become the very thing that it was fighting against. It uses Nazi tactics in its brutal oppression of the Palestinian people. It has made no moves towards peace at all.

    Israel has only got itself to blame for the mess it’s in. Yes some of its enemies are also our enemeies but that doesn’t excuse its behaviour. It’s leaders are war criminals and I thank God that David Cameron is speaking the truth bravely and fearlessly.

  6. 6 Autonomous Mind 27/07/2010 at 3:54 pm

    When someone starts levelling accusations of ‘Nazi’ tactics against Israel it is clear where their head is at and from what depth of ignorance they have reared themselves.

    What you fail to understand is that Israel’s very existence, irrespective of any behaviour, provokes violence among those who variously cite the ludicrous blood libels against the Jews, claim they are at the heart of a global domination conspiracy and preach that the Koran instructs Muslims to kill Jews. There is an intolerance and hatred of Jews that pre-dates the creation of Israel. Pray tell how they brought that on themselves.

    The hatred and intolerance of Israel today is a transferance of the hatred and intolerance that has been around for centuries. Trying to excuse that by dressing it up as Israel having brought all this on itself demonstrates ignorance of history and lack of understanding of the people who seek to wipe Israel off the map and the Jews off the face of the earth.

    I will condemn any outrage committed by Israel. But I will not condemn actions carried out in self defence against people whose intent is homocidal in nature and theological in origin, such as those you cannot bring yourself to acknowledge, who use Gaza as a base from which to perpetuate their campaign of terror while hiding behind the skirts of women and toys of children.

    Perhaps when you have seen it at first hand you can write with some degree of authority about it, rather than parrott the mind numbing mantras torn from the pages of comment is free.

  7. 7 The Filthy Engineer 27/07/2010 at 4:33 pm

    “rather than parrott the mind numbing mantras torn from the pages of comment is free.”

    Like it.

  8. 8 Roy Lewis 27/07/2010 at 4:41 pm

    Well, the poor little chap Peter Reynolds really needs to go and have a lie down in a dark room and if he finds a light switch I suggest he reads Robin Shepherd or the remarkable Melanie Phillips then he may get a less blinkered view of the situation.

  9. 9 Peter Reynolds 27/07/2010 at 7:31 pm

    I write with my own authority. I am not ignorant nor blinkered nor a “poor little chap”.

    The Filthy Engineer bothers with nothing except to agree with your insults so he is worthy of nothing but contempt. Roy Lewis is a patronising as well as an insulting chap who cannot express himself so refers me to others. I don’t hold him in contempt, just pity.

    Mr Autonomous, at least you engage with me both here and on my site. I respect you for that even if I do still think you’re a little bonkers.

    I choose the word “Nazi” very carefully, deliberately and with considration because it expresses my point perfectly so disagree with me by all means but do not call me ignorant.

    I am opposed to intolerance and hatred of the Jews and yes, even of the Israelis. I stand with Israel on its right to exist and also with the Palestinians on theirs.

    As I have already said, there is great evil on both sides. I acknowledge that Hamas is a terrorist organisation and uses despicable tactics but if I was trapped in the biggest concentration camp the world has ever seen I would regard almost any form of resistance as justified.

    Israel’s list of “outrages” is almost endless. Many of its tactics are despicable too. It is the one who needs to pull back first. It is now most at fault.

  10. 11 Autonomous Mind 27/07/2010 at 7:59 pm

    We can go around in circles ad infinitum and it will change nothing Peter. I will still hold my rational, sensible and reasoned opinion – and you will still engage in near hysterical outbursts of sixth form wisdom denoted by bouts of moral relativism. You, along with many others, have blinded yourself to the reality of the Arab-Israeli conflict.

    It is pertinent to note that Gazans would not experience a closed border if they turned their back on the terrorists. Israel’s actions have been defensive, to prevent terrorist attacks. To describe their responses as provocations is to turn everything about face.

    Regardless of the heated comments between us I look forward to engaging with you on other issues in future.

  11. 12 Peter Reynolds 27/07/2010 at 8:38 pm

    You’re “rational, sensible and reasoned” while I’m “hysterical outbursts of sixth form wisdom”?

    Why can you not disagree with me without being personally insulting?

    That in itself should make you think again about your argument. Where is its integrity when you have to descend to abuse to make it?

    I too hope we can make more progress on other issues.

  12. 13 Autonomous Mind 27/07/2010 at 8:45 pm

    At the risk of sounding juvenile Peter, take a moment to look back through this comment thread and note just where the personal insults began. Why did you feel the need to resort to them after I was critical of what you wrote? I could just as well ask why you could not disagree with me without making personal slights.

    Happily I’ve made my point and demonstrated cause and effect. Therefore I hope that we can now move on.

  13. 14 TW 29/07/2010 at 8:43 pm

    “Israel’s list of “outrages” is almost endless. Many of its tactics are despicable too. It is the one who needs to pull back first. It is now most at fault.”

    Peter, they withdrew from Lebanon in 2000. What did they get in return? Thousands of rockets and mortars fired at civilian villages in Israel and soldiers killed and kidnapped on israeli soil. They withdrew from Gaza 2005, and what did they get in return? Thousands of rockets and mortars fired at civilian villages in Israel and soldiers killed and kidnapped on israeli soil. Pray tell me won’t you, whose “tactics” are despicable?

    How many times will it take before you, and others like you, concede to this simple point; the ockupation is not the problem for these terrorists – it is the fact that Israel exists that is the problem. We, the international community, keep telling Israel that it is the ockupation that causes the hatred against them and if they stop it the problem will go away. Israel has done this twice in the last ten years, and has twice been forced to launch large scale wars to repell these terrorists. Why? Because they see Israels forfeit of territory not as a peace initiative – because they don’t want this anyway – but instead as a step closer to their complete victory. Both Hamas and Hezbullah has stated this in official statements so many times that it shouldn’t be a secret. Yet for the western “intellectual class” (and I muss stress; the term does not in any way imply intelligence) this seems to be the most well guarded secret.

    The fact is that Israel has done more to promote peace in the last ten years, from Camp David and the retreat from Lebanon in the year 2000, to the withdrawal from the Gaza strip in 2005 to the 2008 basically unilateral peace offer (under Ehud Olmert), than ever before. Yet it is this decade that apparently normal people like “Peter Reynolds” above has gotten the idea that Israel is pretty much like the nazis. A very peculiar development, I would think…

  14. 15 Peter Reynolds 30/07/2010 at 2:31 pm

    I was accused of being “blinkered” earlier in this thread. All you apologists for evil Israel need to take off your blindfolds. Your perverted view of reality is deeply depressing. You seem to expect reward for your aggression and you complain about those you oppress reacting with tiny fireworks and guerrila tactics when you fight unmercilessly with tanks and F16s.

    When a “terrorist” is fighting on his own soil against an oppressive invader, I call him a freedom fighter just like the resistance against the occupying Nazi forces in WWII.

    Whatever the crazed Islamist rants of Hamas and Hezbollah, Israel’s existence is not in any danger. It is the Palestinian people who need support against Israel’s Nazi tactics. Your suggestion that somehow the world should be grateful for Israel’s withdrawal from territory it has invaded is outrageous and the idea that Israel promotes peace is absurd. Every day it continues to steal land or destroy Palestinian homes.

    People like you who support the fascist Israelis are every bit as dangerous as the Islamist fundamentalists who we lock up and expel from this country. It’s about time we stopped tolerating your racist and evil propaganda and started fighting back. I’d like to see people like you who subvert the truth and promote evil locked up in jail

    That’s the way you need to see yourselves: blind, ignorant, supporters of evil aggression, war criminals and dissemblers. You are exactly the same as Abu Hamza or Anjem Chaudory. You promote subversive lies. You seek to defend the indefensible.

    You’re even worse in fact because you disguise your medieval prejudice and wickedness behind the face of modern western civilisation.

  15. 16 Peter Reynolds 30/07/2010 at 2:35 pm

    Thank God we have a leader who understands where the evil is in Israel and Pakistan.

  16. 17 Autonomous Mind 31/07/2010 at 11:31 am

    But no mention of Turkey, Peter?

  17. 18 Autonomous Mind 31/07/2010 at 11:36 am

    Your comments are not just deluded Peter, they are frankly disturbing. You can’t accept someone else’s viewpoint so your response is to wish they were locked up? And you call the Israelis fascist! You really are beyond parody.

    Thankfully many people are not taken in by your ignorance of history and distortion of the facts. Your emotional, intolerant and morally bankrupt standpoint does you no credit. Turkey behaves in exactly the same way as Israel, yet you have typed not one word of criticism of Ankara. Just why is that?

  18. 19 Peter Reynolds 31/07/2010 at 12:46 pm

    No country is perfect. There is much that is wrong in Britain. Turkey has always had a “special” place in my heart since I first saw the film “Midnight Express”.

    There are certain regimes though that perpetrate such evil and are so dangerous that decent people need to stand up and be counted: Israel, Pakistan, North Korea, China, Burma, Zimbabwe – not an exhaustive list.

    I’m all for free speech. For instance, although I abhor its policies, I deplore the way the BNP is shouted down. There are limits though. If Islamists who subvert the truth and promote evil can be locked up then we should do the same to the equivalent Zionists.

  19. 20 Autonomous Mind 31/07/2010 at 12:57 pm

    You still cannot bring yourself to admit that what Turkey is doing to the Kurds in its fight with the PKK terrorists is no less that what Israel is doing in its fight against Hamas and Palestinian terrorists.

    Spinning yourself into circles and waxing lyrical will do nothing to hide the fact you are exhibiting an unjust moral equivalence. It must be rather inconvenient for you to have demonised Israel only to be dragged into playing dodgeball in regard to Turkey. If Israel is evil in your eyes, how is Turkey not?

  20. 21 TW 01/08/2010 at 8:39 pm

    Crikey, you’re a weird one Peter. If I thought it would do you any good I would begin fisking your pathetic reply, but I’ll save my energy for something more useful – like staring into space, or the likes. But I would be silent about locking people up though, if I were you. Lest someone take a look at your pea brain and draw the obvious conclusion – that your menatal health is in serious peril and a one way ticket to the cuckos nest would be advisable.

    Here’s a palestianian with his brains unclattered by the sort of blind hatred that you suffer from:

    So, go bother the real oppressors of the palestinians – the other arabs – instead of spluttering the sort of mindless babble that you’re doing here about Israel, which you obviously know nought’ about!

  21. 22 Peter Reynolds 01/08/2010 at 9:33 pm

    So, a moment, let me use my “blind hatred” to summon up a little more “mindless babble”.

    Oh well, perhaps not. It doesn’t even deserve a response really.

    Where were we?

    Oh yes! David must be pleased to be back home after a wonderfully successful trip where he’s established a reputation for speaking his mind. He’s and impressed a few who thought Britain was destined for more years of doublespeak and same old, same old political claptrap. Look at the millipede Milliband and his hysterical grief at being left way, way behind!

    Israel is retrenching and it had better do so fast before it finds half its senior politicans are wanted war criminals.

    What’s up with you and yours? Are you Goldman Sachs clients, hasidic zealots, ex-MPs, Mossad agents or just deranged?

  22. 23 TW 05/08/2010 at 2:25 pm

    Peter, you strange strange man, I have no particular interest in this – but I do like the “truth” to be known just a little bit now and again. Since I am not a jew, which all of your categories would imply, then in your category I would be “deranged”. Strange, but nice to see that you don’t think that one can be jewish and deranged at the same time as you put them in different categories alltogether. Maybe there’s a sionist in you after all:-). But seriously “are you Goldman-Sachs clients”. It’s funny that you believe that Goldman-Sachs has anything to do with the state of Israel, or do you perhaps think that one has to be jewish to support Israel, or worse that all jews support Israel instead of the country they live in? Because those ideas are well known…

  23. 24 Peter Reynolds 05/08/2010 at 3:53 pm

    I confess that I am lacking in knowledge, ignorant in fact, of the precise relationship between Jews and the state of Israel. It confuses me. Israel is the only country in the world that was established specifically for a religious group – yes or no? Perhaps you can enlighten me?

    Meanwhile the debate rages on and, yet again, I have the temerity to ask those awful, unanswerable, politically incorrect questions!

    I am merely a humble seeker after truth.

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