Herman Van Rompuy: The nation state is a lie and its advocates are a danger

Updated: It is the most overt attack made upon those who reject the foreign rule of countries by unelected and unaccountable bureaucrats.

It is the most overt attack upon those who reject anti-democratic supranational entities and prefer to live within independent nation states.

The President of the European Council, Herman Van Rompuy, delivered a speech in which he said:

We have together to fight the danger of a new Euro-scepticism.
This is no longer the monopoly of a few countries.
In every Member State, there are people who believe their country can survive alone in the globalised world.
It is more than an illusion: it is a lie!

The only lie is the one above uttered by Van Rompuy. The truth is that in every member state there are people who believe their country can be independent, sovereign and democratic, and can work with other countries in a globalised world without surrendering political or judicial control.

Van Rompuy’s assault is on those who seek to prevent unelected and accountable bureaucrats, such as himself, taking control of blocs of countries and denying the people of those countries the basic tenets of self determination, independence and democracy. He is signalling that the bureaucrats are increasingly confident their power grabs have armed them with sufficient tools to finally destroy the nations, subvert the will of the people and deal with those who dissent and refuse to surrender.

What matters to us does not matter to them. Our interests are not their interests. To them, democracy is a hindrance, independence is the enemy and sovereign nations must be eradicated. To them power must rest with the all-knowing elite that will develop and promote its own and maintain control over the rest. Anyone standing in the way is a danger.

People should be made aware of this alarming, though not completely unexpected, statement. Yet at the time of writing from the so called giants of the blogosphere there is no comment about this. Only a hardy band of determined kindred souls can be relied upon to continue the opposition.

EU Referendum
England Expects
Nourishing Obscurity
The Boiling Frog
Witterings from Witney
IanPJ on Politics
Governmentitus
Centurean2
UKK41

Hopefully more will follow. If I have missed any please add them in the comments. The importance of this development cannot be overstated. By timely happenstance Samizdata’s thought provoking quote of the day is rather appropriate:

A disenfranchised population becomes an untrustworthy population, since it loses the habit of making its own decisions. The majority become childish in hundreds of ways, looking to the State as parent, complaining without displaying a willingness to any form of self-determination. The more liberty one has, the more indvidual responsibility is required of one to make rational, well-considered decisions in the context of one’s social and personal life. Most of us are educated to think we are not capable of this when, in fact, most of us are thoroughly capable but simply lack either the circumstances or the determination to test ourselves. An authoritarian, paternalistic State encourages us in this belief, by its actions as well as by its rhetoric. By its very nature it creates a morally enfeebled, child-like population. This population in turn ‘proves’ its inability to control its own fate and consequently ‘proves’ the need for the paternalism which created it in the first place. There is no fundamental difference between Tory and Socialist paternalism.

– Michael Moorcock, The Retreat From Liberty, 1983

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14 Responses to “Herman Van Rompuy: The nation state is a lie and its advocates are a danger”


  1. 1 WitteringsfromWitney 10/11/2010 at 4:29 pm

    Ta for mention AM, not just for me but all of us

  2. 2 Barry 10/11/2010 at 5:41 pm

    I wonder what Cameron would say if informed of Remploy’s words.

  3. 3 jameshigham 10/11/2010 at 5:45 pm

    I am now ready to join an English Expeditionary Force, in Dad’s Army capacity, to go over, seek out these van Rompuys and Barrosos and extinguish them.

    Should it be announced by people we trust, I’ll enlist two days later, once I have my affairs in order.

    I’m deadly serious.

  4. 4 Barry 10/11/2010 at 5:50 pm

    Further to my above comment – I wonder what Remploy would say if his creed were applied to the EU. I’d guess he would be for global Government even if the case was being made that the EU is not able to stand alone in the globalised world.

    Or alternatively reverse his words:

    “We have together to fight the danger of a new Euro-fanaticism.
    This is no longer the monopoly of a few countries.
    In every Member State, there are people who believe their country cannot survive alone in the globalised world.
    It is more than an illusion: it is a lie!”

    European Onion states ‘chose’ to join. They can choose to leave. Remploy’s words ought to galvanise the very scepticism he is speaking out against. There is no nation within the EU that could not manage on their own. This is a lot like discussing the NHS in the UK with some who fail to appreciate that there was a healthcare industry long before the NHS was brought into being. The history of Britain does not begin in 1972.

  5. 5 BJ 10/11/2010 at 6:04 pm

    I’m absolutely astounded by this speech.

    Add me, AM not because I want visitors, I just think that the more of us there are the more someone will sit up and listen.

  6. 7 DominicJ 10/11/2010 at 6:07 pm

    “I wonder what Cameron would say if informed of Remploy’s words.”

    Just emailed number 10 asking for a comment

    :p

  7. 8 DominicJ 10/11/2010 at 6:20 pm

    Does the Prime Minister agree with the recent European Address given by the Council of Europe President that no nations outside the EU will survive?

    http://www.consilium.europa.eu/uedocs/cms_data/docs/pressdata/en/ec/117623.pdf

    If so, would the Prime Minister care to speculate on when the 163 nations that are not part of the EU will be brought into the fold to be saved?

    And if not, would the Prime Minister care to state openly that any nation may survive without joining the European Union

    With thanks

  8. 9 TheBoilingFrog 10/11/2010 at 9:57 pm

    Thanks AM for the link, much appreciated and I’m rather humbled.

  9. 10 theyenguy 11/11/2010 at 8:58 am

    Tyler Durden reports Ugly 30 Year Comes At 4.32%, Gaping 5 Bps Tail To WI, Lowest Bid To Cover In A Year Today’s $16 Billion 30 Year Auction was about as bad as they get: the yield was 4.32% (highest since May 13), a 5 bps tail to the WI, the Bid To Cover was 2.31, a collapse from October, and the worst since November 2009. Primary Dealers and Directs saved the day taking down 62%, with Indirects responsible for 38.4%. On November 4, 2010, the world pivoted from the age of credit liquidity and prosperity into the age of austerity and debt deflation. The twin spigots of credit liquidity were the ZIRP Bank of Japan lending for carry trades loans and quantitative easing by the US Federal Reserve, this being both QE 1 and the anticipation of QE 2. But now, credit liquidity has been poisoned by the bond vigilantes calling the FOMC’s actions monetization of debt. The economic fathers, Milton Friedman, and Alan Greenspan, begot the floating currency regime, which as documented above, many want to replace with a new global economic order. But, global corporatism and the hand of the bond traders and the power of the currency traders is sovereign, and the currency traders will continue their global currency war bringing debt deflation to both bonds and stocks. Global governance will be established at a later date, most likely by a powerful politician rising to be the world’s Sovereign, and an adept financier rising to be the world’s Seignior who will likely institute unified regulation of banking globally, this as referred to, in the James Politi and Gillian Tett Financial Times article, NY Fed Chief In Push For Global Bank Framework The Seignior will oversee all matters of debt and credit, and implement a universal currency system, a global currency system, that will likely first be used by Portugal, Italy, Ireland, Greece and Spain, as they will have lost their sovereign debt seigniorage and the ECB will have stopped buying their debt.

    Perhaps European Council President Herman Van Rompuy will rise to be the world’s Sovereign as he said November 9, 2010: ”We have together to fight the danger of a new euro-scepticism. … This is no longer the monopoly of a few countries. In every member state, there are people who believe their country can survive alone in the globalised world … It is more than an illusion: it is a lie!”, reports OpenEurope in November 10, 2010 Daily Briefing.

    The chart of world government bonds, BWX, shows that the world governments have lost their sovereign debt seigniorage.

    The European Financials, EUFN, in addition to the Interest Rate on the US 30 Year Interest Rate, $TYX, are the current focal points of the global currency war, which started November 4, 2010 as the global currency traders have undertook a plan to establish global corporatism and themselves as sovereign over humanity.

    I believe that out of intensifying bond deflation by bond vigilantes calling sovereign debt and bank debt interest rates higher, and greater competitive currency deflation at the hands of currency traders, the seigniorage of the European periphery countries will fail, and that they will default on their sovereign debt.

    Then I believe a Global Seignior, will arise and institute unified regulation of banking globally, this as referred to, in the James Politi and Gillian Tett Financial Times article, NY Fed Chief In Push For Global Bank Framework, and that the Seignior will oversee all matters of debt and credit, and implement a universal currency system, a global currency, that will first be used by Portugal, Italy, Ireland, Greece and Spain, as they will have lost their sovereign debt seigniorage and the ECB will have stopped buying their debt


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