Just to reinforce the point

The temperature at Mind Towers has dropped significantly this evening necessitating the central heating thermostat being turned up. We have a light dusting of fresh snow and more flakes are falling as I type.

However, as before during the frigid weather, the wind turbines at the nearby wind farm are not moving. There is barely a breath of wind. Despite the massive subsidies of taxpayers’ money poured into wind power, once again coal, gas and nuclear power are keeping the lights on and the house warm. Money well spent on turbines. Not.

7 Responses to “Just to reinforce the point”

  1. 1 Barry 03/01/2011 at 11:23 pm

    Just had a thought: Wind farms are very much local planning issues. Some people like ’em, some people don’t. Others are ambivalent. We see the national figures for generation touted but can local figures be discerned?

    The actual thought though was for all wind farms to have webcams pointing at them so we the great unwashed could see for ourselves what our money *isn’t* getting us.

  2. 2 Steve 04/01/2011 at 7:47 am

    >necessitating the central heating thermostat being turned up

    Um, if it’s a thermostat, you shouldn’t need to do that. It should already be firing the system up more often when the exterior is colder to keep to the set temperature indoors.

  3. 3 Autonomous Mind 04/01/2011 at 8:41 am

    It does Steve. But 19C, which is where it was set, was not keeping the house warm enough. The family were complaining of feeling cold so it had to be turned up.

  4. 4 GP 04/01/2011 at 12:33 pm

    Just like ‘Climate Science’ the efficacy of the temperature measurement of one household thermostat in relation to the global household environment is entirely dependent on where it is located and any local influences there.

    However turning up the boiler’s water output maximum temperature a few degrees is likely to have a better outcome than simply adjusting the thermostat. Especially when the outside temp drops below zero.

    Back to topic …

    The bmreports web site seems to have become quite well known to many more people in recent weeks having been mentioned in various blogs, forums and even the MSM. How long before it is modified or even ‘taken off line’ completely – perhaps with the excuse that it can’t handle the number of connections?

  5. 5 Fay Tuncay 04/01/2011 at 12:33 pm

    I am starting to loose the will to live on this whole wind farm issue. It was a dumb idea from the get go.

    Cooling means less wind. Since were are, according to Corbyn and Bastardi, in the natural cooling cycle for the next 25-30years perhaps we should reconsidered the travesty that is wind.


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  6. 6 GP 04/01/2011 at 1:14 pm

    A small observation to add to the above.

    I have just been looking at the bmreports real time information and noticed that in the prevoius 24 hours we have mostly been exporting electricity to France. This may be dues to a need to balance the grid because wind has been quite productive compared to recent output but is not expected to last at that level for long so the base load cannot be cut without risk and the 4hr response systems may not be suitably responsive so a sudden burst of output from wind when colder weather is expected within hours.

    In other words all the reliable systems have to be kept running and you need to dump the unpredictable excess somewhere. There is a fairly constant load going across the Moyle Interconnector to Ireland and a rather more variable but generally larger load to France.

    These ‘negative’ values are reported as zero for the purppose of the bmreports numbers since neta is a market trading system for the generators rather than a dedicated network load monitor per se.

    So what we seem to have is that the input from wind, whilst much improved because of current wind conditions (though still only about 50% of the metered capacity which itself seem to be significantly lowers than the claims for installed capacity) is quite closely matching the exported generation heading across the interconnects.

    In turn this suggests that the true net effect of wind at this time is still close to zero just as if the blades were not turning.

    Some might argue that it is good to be able to export electricity back to France in order to recover some of the cost of the power purchased during the very cold spell. However that wouold depepnd on the prices of the trades rather than the amount of electricity alone. I read some time ago that excess wind generation in Denmark sometime meant that they had to pay others (Interconnects to Germany and Norway) to take their generation in order to balance the grid system and stop it failing completely.

    In the GB situation the producers seem to have a win/win situation in that even if we cannot sensibly use their output, thus making its value zero, they can claim ROCs for every Mw produced and ROC’s have a traded value.

  7. 7 GP 04/01/2011 at 8:00 pm

    Sort of connected in some ways …. I stumbled across this.


    First observation suggests that the public may have worked out that wind is not much cop but that they have yet to cotton on to solar as a marginal source. Maybe it isn’t marginal.

    However, were it as good as the spin suggests, why on earth would we need to be subsidising so many installations for 25 years?

    “Under the scheme a solar photovoltaic array with a capacity of 4 to 10 kilowatts will earn the owner 36.1 pence (55 cents) per kilowatt-hour of power produced and consumed on-site. The rate falls to 31.4 pence (49 cents) for installations of 10 to 100 kW and 29.3 pence (46 cents) for those from 100 to 5,000 kW — the range into which Eavis’ 200 kW array fits.”

    So not only are they being paid a generous amount to create their own electricity – they save by not having to buy (or not buy so much) from the grid. This must be at least as good as set-aside.

    The only down side is that they actually have to use the output if they want big income. Selling it back to the grid looks much less profitable.

    I’m having real problems getting my understanding of the economics of all of this to match anything that makes sense.

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