Not education, propaganda

Since Mind Jr arrived home from school this afternoon I have been stewing with barely concealed anger.  For within minutes of getting in, a very earnest Junior sat down Mrs Mind and myself and solemnly announced that we would no longer eat red meat in our household.

The inevitable question ‘why?’ resulted in a detailed explanation concerning today’s Geography lesson.  It was there Junior was informed that red meat should not be eaten any more than once per week, we were told, because any frequency beyond that will kill us all with strokes or heart attacks – and in any case it contributes to global warming.

Conscious of the need to help develop Junior’s critical thinking capability, I asked her why she thought this message had been shared in the lesson.  She opined that the class had been taught this because it is good for us.  And right there was the heart of the matter.  No discussion about it in class, no contrary view presented, no balance to the message, just a binary condition of good v bad and that we must listen to what the ‘experts’ say.  So what we have is a curriculum item check box, duly ticked, relying on an appeal to authority with theory presented as fact and a class of 13-14-yr-olds duly brainwashed with the partial and biased opinions of the political class that formed the syllabus.

In Geography this week and in Science last week, the class had been fed the party line on global warming and health.  I probed further to see just how much they had been taught.

  • Which greenhouse gas is present in the atmosphere in highest concentration?  Methane.  Wrong, I explained. Had she been told about water vapour?  There had been no mention of it.
  • How much CO2 is there in the atmosphere?  That wasn’t covered either, so I explained it was 385 parts per million.  She was stunned.
  • How much atmospheric CO2 is produced by humans and how much by nature?  Most of it from humans she said.  No, only around 5% with the rest coming from nature.  Now she was bewildered.  Her next comment summed everything up when she said, cutting out red meat won’t make much difference then.

As for the dietry aspects, had there been any discussion of the effects of sugary carbohydrates, the benefits of the complex carbs and the relatively benign influence of proteins such as meat?  Clearly that was too much to hope for, nothing of the sort had been covered.

It is simply unacceptable that our children are being plied with propaganda in this way.  This is not an education, it is an indoctrination constructed by special interest groups.  Rarely have the lyrics of Pink Floyd been more appropriate, leave them kids alone.

33 Responses to “Not education, propaganda”


  1. 1 CO2 Does not drive temperature 16/02/2011 at 8:22 pm

    You could also mention the fact that more livestock will lead to more methane emissions, with methane recognised as a genuine pollutant / green house gas.

    Or you could advise her to listen to one of the world’s leading Astro – physicists Nir Shaviv,

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nir_Shaviv

    who points out that during the Ordovician ICE AGE, CO2 levels were 10 times what they are today – during an ICE AGE

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/miller/miller21.html

    “Astrophysicist Nir Shaviv and geologist Ján Veizer in “Celestrial Driver of Phanerozoic Climate?” (Geological Society of America Today 2003;13:4-10) and Veizer in “Celestial Climate Driver: A Perspective from Four Billion Years of the Carbon Cycle” (Geoscience Canada 2005;32:13-30) show that the variability in the Earth’s temperature over the past 500 million years correlates well with the intensity of cosmic rays hitting the planet when it passes in and out of the spiral arms of the Milky Way. They found that at one point atmospheric CO2 levels were 18 times higher than they are today, and they were 10 times higher when the planet was an “icehouse” during the Ordovician glacial period (450 million years ago).”

  2. 2 CO2 Does not drive temperature 16/02/2011 at 8:24 pm

    This video contrasts Al Gores C02 propaganda with the science of the Great Global Warming Swindle

  3. 3 David C 16/02/2011 at 8:30 pm

    Proudly displayed in my 8 year old’s classroom window: a child’s poster encouraging recycling. I’ve no objection to recycling, but the message on the poster ‘we must recycle, otherwise we’ll all die because of the landfill’ seems a bit extreme.
    The whole school has been indoctrinated in a weekly assembly with a cuddly polarbear expected to go extinct because of global warming.
    The tragedy is that there’s no way to explain to my boy what the real facts of the case are without showing up his teachers to be either a) stupid repeaters of received wisdom or b) lying propagandists. I’d rather be supportive of them but it’s just not possible.

  4. 4 Dave H 16/02/2011 at 8:30 pm

    Have you seen how much hard science is taught in science lessons now? Almost a nice round number.

    We opted out, educating at home and teaching the skills of research and self-education in an attempt to avoid all the dumbing down and propaganda found in the modern school curriculum. The last government tried to remove the nice little opt-out and bring us all under control, but fortunately ran out of time, and the new one, having observed the hornets’ nest response, has so far refrained from poking it again. Those who positively opt out don’t take kindly to attempts to forcibly opt them back in.

    As a final note, I had a large mixed grill for lunch today, so that’s my methane emissions accounted for this week.

  5. 5 Pavlov's Cat 16/02/2011 at 8:32 pm

    I’m glad I don’t have children as I’m sure, to imitate Private Eye

    “If any them lefty progressives come near my kids
    I swear I’ll do time” Big Cat-Bexley

    You must look forward to Parents Evening with equal parts anticipation and dread.

  6. 6 Bucko 16/02/2011 at 8:43 pm

    Every time I hear a story like this it makes me glad I chose not to have kids. It must be a hell of a task undoing all the damage that modern education is doing.
    I dont envy you the task

  7. 7 Cassandra King 16/02/2011 at 8:51 pm

    I feel your anguish and anger and frustration, the most precious thing in your life is being systematically brainwashed by cultist methodology.

    Our children are being fed lies on a daily basis at the very place we trust will nourish their minds with the education they need, propaganda based on lies being force fed into young trusting minds by those we trust.

    Often there is no basis in fact for what is being taught in schools, it is akin to a madrassa/political indoctrination and it is ruining an entire generation of children who either believe the lies or are marked down as failures or even anti social elements.

    Its our fault for allowing political ideologues into the classroom, they are proving themselves to be a fascist poison right at our most vulnerable point, they are coming for us through our children just as the Nazis and the Soviets did.

    Now you are going to have to de programme your child from the cultist theology and it will be difficult because if she marks herself out as a denier/anti social element/counter revolutionary they will no doubt mark her records and they will follow her for life.

    Good luck, you aint alone!

  8. 8 Johnny Rottenborough 16/02/2011 at 8:56 pm

    Here’s a refreshingly propaganda-free view of climate change:

    ❛A dogma based on discredited statistics, peddled by a clique of bought-and-paid-for academics funded and hyped by super-rich vested interests in the green-industrial complex … It is also, right now, starving to death hundreds of thousands of the world’s poorest children as food crops are replaced by taxpayer-subsidised bio-fuels.❜—Nick Griffin

  9. 9 Bill 16/02/2011 at 9:03 pm

    We too removed number two son from state indoctrination in 2009. Number one son finished his education the same year otherwise he would have been removed too. The truth is indoctrination is exactly what it is. Education doesn’t get a look in

  10. 10 Tufty 16/02/2011 at 9:12 pm

    There is a good blog on this issue link below.
    The world is complex, so lets admit to kids that it is. Reliable conclusions are difficult to reach – lets admit that that too. Why not be honest about uncertainty – why not admit there are many things we don’t know? What are these teachers afraid of?

    http://climatelessons.blogspot.com/

  11. 11 Geoff, Worcester, England 16/02/2011 at 9:22 pm

    There is one positive to this. At least your bairn won’t be eating so much halal meat. Apparently 90% of the meat sold in supermarkets in the Divided Kingdom is halal. But it would be nice to see the stuff marked clearly, so that we know what we’re buying.

  12. 12 Chairman of Selectors 16/02/2011 at 9:44 pm

    Having recently had a beautiful baby daughter, I am already fearful of the indoctrination she will suffer at the hands of our leftist teaching establishments. On a more general point, we now have hundreds of thousands of school leavers who have been in this education system their entire lives, their little heads positively overflowing with leftist indignation. This of course explains the ridiculous student riots which as any fule kno, had no basis whatsoever in any genuine problem over tuition fees. We really are in trouble.

  13. 13 microdave 16/02/2011 at 10:04 pm

    Show her the “Million” dots jpeg that was doing the rounds recently. I downloaded it, but can’t remember where from – I think it was Haunting The Library, but it might even have been here!!
    I showed it to my 21 year old nephew, and his face was a picture…

    Some months back JoNova had an alternative explanation using distance. Starting off with one kilometre and ending up with a centimetre or so.

  14. 14 Autonomous Mind 16/02/2011 at 10:09 pm

    Microdave, I did put a million dot jpg here on AM, was this the one you used? – https://autonomousmind.wordpress.com/2010/12/30/atmospheric-co2-made-easy/

  15. 15 Longrider 16/02/2011 at 10:09 pm

    Sooo…

    What are you going to do about it?

  16. 16 Autonomous Mind 16/02/2011 at 10:12 pm

    We talk about classes every day, so I will continue to help her develop her questioning, research and critical thinking so she doesn’t accept things at face value.

  17. 17 Man With a Polish Wife 16/02/2011 at 10:16 pm

    Go to a Charity book shop. Have a look at the non fiction book section. Find the pile of school books. Pick a Geography or Science book at random.

    Full of CAGW propaganda. How old are these books. Up to 10 years old. Some contain sections covering the UN Agenda 21. Some make reference to the Nottingham Declaration (also displayed at the “Customer Reception” at my local Council offices, by the way.

    This brainwashing has been going on for years. There was a Swedish poem in one book castigating the Brits for creating the acid rain that was destroying their country. Remember that one – well it’s still going strong in the education system. Oh, and this was not an old book. It had survived a few edition updates.

    When will it end…

    Wait a minute, on BBC 10pm news, live as I write, increased flooding in the UK is being caused by global warming. It can’t end, but we are doomed, and then it will end… … …

  18. 18 microdave 16/02/2011 at 10:37 pm

    @ AM – yes, that’s the one!

    Here’s the alternative version:

    Imagine 1 kilometre of atmosphere and we want to get rid of the carbon pollution in it created by human activity.

    Let’s go for a walk along it.

    The first 770 metres are Nitrogen.

    The next 210 metres are Oxygen.

    That’s 980 metres of the 1 kilometre. 20 metres to go.

    The next 10 metres are water vapour. 10 metres left.

    9 metres are argon. Just 1 more metre.

    A few gases make up the first bit of that last metre.

    The last 38 centimetres of the kilometre – that’s carbon dioxide. A bit over one foot.

    97% of that is produced by Mother Nature. It’s natural.

    Out of our journey of one kilometre, there are just 12 millimetres left. Just over a centimetre – about half an inch.

    That’s the amount of carbon dioxide that global human activity puts into the atmosphere.

  19. 19 Span Ows 16/02/2011 at 11:41 pm

    Johnny, nice quote. Nick says a lot of sensible things but you know he won’t get a look-in…just yet.

    Geoff, if 90% of the meat sold in supermarkets (that probably sell 85%/90% of the meat sold directly to the public .e. everything except restaurants etc) then you can be SURE that the LAW is being BROKEN several hundred thousand times a day. I suggest you complain.

    AM, it’s one thing to tell your daughter (my children are all “normal” so far…gulp) but you must insist she tell her friends, you can be pretty sure her friends’ parents are not brainwashed twats or vegetarians (no offense to veggies but they won’t really put the whole story if they already eschew part of it) and will agree with what you/your daughter is saying…from there it is a small step to “adjusting” the mindset of the teacher.

  20. 20 Chairman of Selectors 17/02/2011 at 2:03 am

    I thought the BBC would be all over that entirely bogus “global warming causes floods” story, based on flawed research and climate modelling. Loopy Lou at the Telegraph has cut and pasted it of course. Just outrageous. Yet we stil have to stump up for the licence fee under threat of jail.

  21. 21 CalvinBall 17/02/2011 at 8:39 am

    Truly terrifying AM.

    I did spend some time in Education (although not teaching). When it came out, the 21st Century Schools white paper became a key read. So I’m flicking through it when I have a serious WTF moment (actually there were several). A key narrative running through it was the need to reference global warming as children were a key resource in fighting it. We now had an overt legalisation of indoctrination of children by the state.

    This also came to light elsewhere by a blogger. Unfortunately I didn’t record it at the time. Their story was one of a child who had done a geography exam or past test paper and brought it home. In it was a question related to global warming, where the “correct” answer was one that required the AGW theory to be true. In fcat according to this blogger, the correct answer was in fact scientifically wrong I believe. The crux of the blog post was the marks that would raise the childs grade hinged on repeating junk science as fact. Therefore in order to maximise your life chances through good academic scores you had to perpetuate junk science and forget about the truth.

    Oddly enough, whilst education has it’s fair share of marxists, there are some normal people in the profession also. They just want to hold down a job and put food on their family’s table. The problem is, in order to keep doing that, they’re required to shut their mouths, keep their heads down and simply trot out the crap they are instructed to.

  22. 22 Lesley 17/02/2011 at 9:25 am

    Teaching material is often provided by those with their own agendas. It’s too easy to go with the flow as a teacher when exams have to be passed and your ‘abilities’ are judged by these results. How did we get into this sorry state?

  23. 23 Derek Reynolds 17/02/2011 at 1:09 pm

    Nice analogy Microdave, I just need it in Imperial!

    My 11yr old daughter is getting a bit fed up with her school, but more over things other than any climate change lessons. However, there is in part of her curriculum a lesson entitled ‘Citizenship’. I queried her on this and its content. She wasn’t very clear herself, though did mention that it included the following of laws and regulations.

    I have already shown her and spoken of data relating to climate change, and she is becoming quite savvy about not necessarily questioning ‘facts’ as presented, but seeking research outside school. ‘That’ I can help with.

    There is a hidden danger in having your children counter statements made in school; Child Assessment Forms are available to any teacher or unit associated with education. Their stated intent is to monitor unusual behaviour in any child with an eye to looking for abuse from parental sources. Abuse, and interference – in any form.

    Methane: It has been stated in various places that methane is one of the greenhouse gases. Pound for pound it is more effective than CO2 as such, but its make up does not actually cause any heating as a gas, nor does CO2 to any real extent. The effects of both are negigible to non-existent in comparison to water vapour. Adrian Vance explains:
    http://globalwarmingnotes.i8.com/AbsorptionSpectra.html

  24. 24 John Shade 17/02/2011 at 6:10 pm

    Who knows, who could find out, how much of this indoctrination in controversial perspectives is going on? A good post.

    Political indoctrination is illegal under the Education Acts for England & Wales. These were used to require schools to point out some illustrative examples of the bias and errors in ‘An Inconvenient Truth’. If anyone has examples, or even suspicions of this shameless DVD being shown in schools without the proper cautions, I’d be glad to hear of them. Details of the legal ruling can be found here: http://www.newparty.co.uk/articles/inaccuracies-gore.html

    (thanks for the plug earlier, Tufty, whoever you are! (16th, 9:12pm)

  25. 25 Icarus62 17/02/2011 at 9:16 pm

    Which greenhouse gas is present in the atmosphere in highest concentration? Methane. Wrong, I explained. Had she been told about water vapour? There had been no mention of it.

    How much CO2 is there in the atmosphere? That wasn’t covered either, so I explained it was 385 parts per million. She was stunned.

    How much atmospheric CO2 is produced by humans and how much by nature? Most of it from humans she said. No, only around 5% with the rest coming from nature. Now she was bewildered.

    It is simply unacceptable that our children are being plied with propaganda in this way.

    Is it acceptable to deceive your children in the way you did?

  26. 26 Derek Reynolds 18/02/2011 at 1:35 pm

    I’m not sure where Icarus62 is coming from, but think Microdave has Argon mixed up with Nitrous Oxide (N2O).

    Some details:
    http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html

  27. 27 John Shade 18/02/2011 at 7:59 pm

    Re blog post sought by CalvinBall, 17th/*:39am.

    It might be this one: http://ccgi.newbery1.plus.com/blog/?p=340

  28. 28 BBC - £148 per annum for total crap 19/02/2011 at 10:02 am

    “Hurrah – eating red meat is good for you! After all the warnings, Sunday roast not linked to heart disease”

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1358523/Red-meat-good-After-warnings-Sunday-roast-linked-heart-disease.html#ixzz1EOiJM6Y6

    “A report demolishes the ‘myths and misconceptions’ about the meat, saying that most people eat healthy amounts which are not linked to greater risk of disease.
    Modern farming methods have cut fat levels, which can be even lower than chicken, while red meat provides high levels of vital nutrients, including iron……..”

  29. 29 Tom Mills 19/02/2011 at 6:38 pm

    You won’t believe it but The Guardian wants to know about it.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/blog/2011/feb/18/johnny-ball-climate-change-attack

  30. 30 Robert 16/09/2011 at 11:54 am

    I thought your hilariously bad parenting here deserved to be more widely known, so I have highlighted it here: “They tried to teach my baby (climate) science” http://theidiottracker.blogspot.com/2011/09/they-tried-to-teach-my-baby-climate.html

    Money quote:

    Schools teaching kids science has been a problem for many years, as the Onion cover reflects. Might I suggest that since the schools are not going to chuck evolution, climate science, cancer biology, or whatever else disturbs you from the ciriculum, that you plan supplemental education for the kids in the beliefs and practices that their parents expect of them. Sunday morning might be a good time for this activity. Like-minded adults who have mastered the basics could gather together nearby to reaffirm and celebrate the transcendent truth they have been gifted with. There are even tax advantages, so I’ve been told. Mr. “Mind” should look into it, before some hapless passerby sees him looming over his daughter with “barely concealed anger” and involves the authorities.

  31. 31 Autonomous Mind 17/09/2011 at 2:11 pm

    Perhaps it’s just as well your idiotic remarks and scientifically ignorant, smug assessments will be limited to your very limited and narrow minded readership. Clearly all you can do is play the man not the ball. That happens when the facts don’t fit your narrative. Anyway, I’m sure your blog post was the highlight of your week. Thanks for the laugh.

  32. 32 Robert 17/09/2011 at 11:25 pm

    “Clearly all you can do is play the man not the ball.”

    This from the man flush with victory after bullying his tween daughter into submission with straw man arguments and pseudoscientific nonsense.

    “That happens when the facts don’t fit your narrative.”

    You know what that’s like, obviously.

    “smug assessments will be limited to your very limited . . .”

    Your vocabulary seems a little . . . limited. Might want to invest in a thesaurus.

  33. 33 Autonomous Mind 18/09/2011 at 9:18 am

    Flush from victory? If that is your interpretation of someone telling their child about the things the schools omit from their syllabus then you are clearly an idiot. Again Robert you resort to attacking me because you cannot use facts to construct an argument on the merits of what I said and what the school is teaching. Find a factual inaccuracy in what I wrote.

    You don’t need a blog to track idiots, just look in the mirror. And take your foul mouthed co-moron Pangolin with you when you leave. He seems tired and emotional and I’ve had to remove his swear-laden diatribe accordingly.


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