Cameron’s emissions folly will cost us dear

Here we go again, yet another personal intervention by David Cameron.  We can but hope this intervention goes the same way as his previous efforts as this concerns the reduction of evil, poisonous carbon emissions.

BBC climate overlord, Roger ‘the truth is’ Harrabin, reports that:

David Cameron has moved to resolve a Cabinet row over the UK’s climate change targets, with an agreement on emissions to be announced on Tuesday.

This will see drastic cuts in greenhouse gas emissions to 2027 and an overhaul of the way energy is produced.

The upshot of this is that our wallets and purses are going to raided, leaving us impoverished due to a plan to address something that remains unproven as a problem, in order to correct an issue the remains unproven as being of our making.  But it makes the politicians feel better about themselves because they are seen to be ‘doing something’ and it keeps the ‘green extreme’ happy as this represents another step forward in their plan to de-industrialise the western world and reverse centuries of progress.

It should come as no surprise that joining our husky-hugging multi millionaire Prime Minister in this grand plan is the sopping wet hand wringer Oliver Letwin.  But the stand out part of the article concerns born again Eurofanatic, William Hague, described by Harrabin thus:

Meanwhile Foreign Secretary William Hague put the case for strong carbon targets to keep up with countries like China in the move towards low-carbon energy, and to retain the UK’s international moral leadership on the issue.

If only we were trying to keep up with China, which is building a new coal fired power stations at an incredible rate and apparently deploying carbon capture technology, while here we suffer from the folly of wind farms producing barely 19% of installed capacity potential.

We need more power that is reliable, which the Chinese are finally delivering for their own people. But instead we are scaling back reliable power generation to appease green extremism.  The cost to this country of the flawed policy agenda, built upon vested interests, will dwarf anything that has gone before.

But the political class presses ahead with their fingers in their ears, knowing that at least they can afford to pay the bills even if many of the rest of us consider turning off the heating when it is cold because of their inability to pay the rapidly rising prices – driven up by lunatic political decisions rather than the cost of the energy itself.

19 Responses to “Cameron’s emissions folly will cost us dear”

  1. 1 Dave_G 16/05/2011 at 3:02 pm

    Much as I despise the current trend towards self-destruction could we be missing the point? It is easy to pass comment on changes that are ‘imminent’ and affect us directly, financially and immmediately but has anyone looked outside the box to determine whether there is an ulterior motive, as yet undisclosed? The UK is run by the mandarins – the politicians are the front-piece and take the flak – but the mandarins have, in years past, maneouvred British policy on a timescale and with such agenda that most people fail to see; any benefits (or failures for that matter) won’t come to light for many years. Surely, surely the politicians can’t be THAT blind, can’t be THAT stupid, can’t be THAT mis-informed. Surely there has to be some (cunning) ‘plan’ that requires these seemingly-suicidal actions?
    Yes, I know everyone will say ‘Yes, they are that stupid….’ etc but could anyone even speculate what future conditions might prevail to warrant the actions we see today?
    Rather than reply with a knee-jerk response that paints me as a supporter of the current green trends (I am FAR from that, I can assure you) can anyone offer any inkling of what could, just could, justify this madness? (global government not withstanding).

  2. 2 jheath 16/05/2011 at 3:05 pm

    But Mr Hague was leader of the Tories when Letwin set about the greening of the party and Ainsworth discovered windmills. Why is anyone surprised? This has been the policy in principle since 1998 and it was the reason I left the Conservative Party.

  3. 3 Katabasis 16/05/2011 at 3:43 pm

    Yet another thing that the Tory activists will ignore…

  4. 4 Barry 16/05/2011 at 3:46 pm

    Dave_G said: “Yes, I know everyone will say ‘Yes, they are that stupid….’ etc but could anyone even speculate what future conditions might prevail to warrant the actions we see today?”

    Really cheap gas prices due to shale gas perhaps. They really don’t like the idea of us having cheap energy and falling energy prices would possibly see us go from inflation to deflation. That would be viewed as very bad for public finances due to the levels of debt being piled up.

  5. 5 Derek Reynolds 16/05/2011 at 5:31 pm

    It’s the dumbing down, impoverishment, financial collapse and embittering of the population to the point of rioting that will enable martial law to be enforced. The crumbling of society through regulations and restrictions needed to ensure people cry out for a new regime of law and order – control – more of the same. Part of a master plan that is being enacted upon much of the Western and currently Middle Eastern World. Been ‘on the books’ for over 200yrs.
    Here’s one take, and it’s echoed by many others:

    Cameron and his ilk are just piggy-backing the regime for their personal empowerment. The real planners have longer term goals in mind, are tenacious, and ruthless. Mass extermination through nutrition, injection, and injunction is not only possible, it is probable – if allowed to continue. Who will stop them?

    Most are so concerned about their relationships with their neighbours; the next country, or the next continent that they cannot, do not, will not perceive the real threat. That which sets mankind against mankind for the benefit of the self chosen few.

    None dare call it Genocide:
    30 secs black screen at the start.

  6. 6 Martin Brumby 16/05/2011 at 6:59 pm

    From your link:-

    • The capture project in Beijing, which is run by the China Huaneg Group and captures 3000 tonnes per year using MEA’s.
    • The Huaneng Power Group post combustion capture project at Shanghai Shidongkou Power plant which captures 150,000 tons /year.
    • The Chongqing Hechuan Shuanghuai Power Plant Project which can trap 10,000 tons of CO2 with purity over 99.5% annually.

    Well, that technology will be a big help to Drax power station, which currently emits 22,800,000 tonnes per year.

    And unfortunately the “Carbon Abatement Technologies Official Group” (no vested interest there, then) don’t share with us what our Chinese chums do with the CO2 once “captured”, nor how much extra coal they have to burn to power up the capture plant (usually reckoned to be an extra 33% or more), nor what these vanity projects are costing.

    One thing is certain. If the UK, lock stock & barrel, was to sink beneath the waves tomorrow, the difference in CO2 levels (let alone the difference in average global temperature) would be absolutely unmeasurable.

  7. 7 Gordo 16/05/2011 at 8:13 pm

    Now’t to do with the big windfarms on his father-in-law’s estates then.

  8. 8 Climate Change Con....... 16/05/2011 at 8:38 pm

    Professor Will Happer : fellow of the American Physical Society and the American Association for the Advancement of Science, and a member of the National Academy of Sciences. He received a Alfred P. Sloan fellowship in 1966, an Alexander von Humboldt award in 1976, the Herbert P.Broida Prize in 1997, the Davisson-Germer prize and the Thomas Alva Edison patent award in 2000. In 2003 he was named the Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics at Princeton University.

  9. 9 Climate Change Con....... 16/05/2011 at 8:39 pm

  10. 10 orkneylad 16/05/2011 at 8:55 pm


    “Exclusive: Proof Vicky Pryce Was Not In Essex That Day”

    Henry II: I want no women in my life.
    Princess Alais: You’re tired.
    Henry II: I could have conquered Europe – all of it – but I had women in my life.
    [The Lion in Winter]

  11. 11 The Gray Monk 17/05/2011 at 8:53 am

    Bravo, David G, you are spot on the money. What is the agenda of the Civil Service in all this? The politicians are simply the fall guys, the government is, and has been for at least the last half century, the faceless bureaucrats in Whitehall. And their interests are rotted solely in Brussels.

  12. 12 orkneylad 17/05/2011 at 3:31 pm

    Thank you BBC

    Exploding watermelons

    Message recieved. lol

  13. 13 Time Traveller 18/05/2011 at 9:31 am


    “..can anyone offer any inkling of what could, just could, justify this madness?”

    I don’t think anything can justify it but I’d like to suggest two possible explanations.

    The first is control. The capitalist model has proved to be a very effective means of controlling the population: 8 hours+ work a day wearies us and distracts us from revolutionary thoughts and actions. Now that machines have largely supplanted us in the workplace, we have the potential for ‘dangerous’ thinking time and subversion. By returning us to subsistence living, the people are, once again, too busy with survival to trouble the ruling class. Bluntly, capitalism has run its course and we are now a nett loss in the resources column; we are surplus to requirements.

    The second possibility is greed, plain and simple. Governments of all hues are now in corporate pockets and are quite happy to pass any old law and talk any old tosh to persuade us that we should give ever-increasing amounts of our assets to support the needy rich.

  14. 14 woodsy42 18/05/2011 at 11:05 am

    @ Dave_G
    FWIW I agree with you they are not that stupid, there has to be another agenda here.
    Certainly control of the population, personal aggrandissment, profit and vanity are the most likely factors but I keep looking for more.
    The only other senario is that when WWIII arrives, likely to be against the Arab world not China is ny guess, our power generation will be independent and spread out so more difficult to close down?

  15. 15 jameshigham 19/05/2011 at 9:25 am

    We need more power that is reliable, which the Chinese are finally delivering for their own people. But instead we are scaling back reliable power generation to appease green extremism.

    And this is the core of it, AM. Sigh.

  16. 16 vernon e 19/05/2011 at 10:01 am

    I still maintain my belief that CCS is against the laws of physics (i.e. more has to be put in than is taken out) and its pursuit is the pursuit of fool’s gold. The chinese instances appear to me to merely be the removal of CO2 from flue gas to satisfy a need for the CO2 – nothing new or relevant about that.
    Still Mr Mind is repeating the bogus statistic that windmills produce around 20% of their nameplate capacity. They don’t. A lot of their already pathetically low production is when the power is not needed (night, summer etc) because our conventional stations are already at maximum turn-down. The real figutre is nearer 10% of nameplate.

  17. 17 AJC 19/05/2011 at 10:45 am

    The recent example of wind-farms, in Scotland [1], being paid to not generate raises a question.

    Why is there no development of pump storage systems to complement existing (and new) hydro?

    Presumably the system is rigged to preclude such developments.

    Wind farms paid £900,000 to turn off

  18. 18 Dave_G 19/05/2011 at 8:44 pm

    The UN IPCC freely admit that to reach the proposed cuts in CO2 emissions would cost developed countries around 2% of GNP. The UK, despite only having an annual growth of 0.5% have unilaterally committed to cuts *exceeding* the IPCC recommendations.

    The UK are (have?) enshrined overseas aid in law and are to *increase* theirs from 0.5% of GNP to 0.7% of GNP. The UN recommendation was for developed countries to donate only 0.5% of GNP.

    The UK readily (although how easy it would be to refuse I really don’t know) pays £Bn’s to support failing economies despite already having the greatest debt ever recorded.

    The UK Government are using ‘quantative easing’ to alleviate fiscal shortfalls thus devaluing our currency.

    The UK Government have yet to implement ANY cuts in spending despite the urgency seen to be needed.

    All-in-all it would appear that there is a “race to ruin” and the UK Government is doing its damnedest to win.


  19. 19 orkneylad 20/05/2011 at 10:36 pm

    Here’s a world exclusive from Yesterday’s Orcadian newspaper, you won’t find it in the online edition….ooh wonder why THAT is? LMFAO

    “HIE is taking green business away from Orkney firms, say local businesses.”

    Barry Johnston, Head of privately owned Orkney Energy Gateway & Scotrenewables Ltd, voiced anger over the governement’s planned development of a marine renewables facility, right next door to his own & offering the same services as the privately funded facility, effectively taking business away from local renewables firms & using millions of tax-funded subsidy in the process.

    Businesses also lambasted the Governement for creating a tendering system which practically overrules using local firms -which are highly experienced in these marine projects- from getting through the tender process. Instead the government fast tracks the preferred bids of it’s tax-grabbing accomplices.

    If you want more on this exclusive, you’ll have to buy the paper version of the Orcadian, or contact the reporter [Andrew Hamilton] at the Orcadian:
    Registered Office: Hell’s Half Acre, Hatston, Kirkwall, Orkney, KW15 1DW

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