So where are the 81 Tory ‘Eurosceptic’ MPs now?

A rule of thumb this blog keeps reiterating is when it comes to talk of Tory MPs being Eurosceptic, people need to judge them by their actions rather than their words.

Yet another excellent, pathfinding blog post by Dr Richard North at EU Referendum delivers a case in point that our media is too stupid to understand or dishonest to explain to readers.  This concerns the proposal in Gideon Osborne’s coagulation budget to impose VAT on hot take-out food.  Anyone with a modicum of knowledge about the governance of this country will know Value Added Tax is a European Union matter and that member states must impose a VAT rate – currently with a minimum standard rate of 15%.

As Richard explains, the change to VAT announced in the budget follows the European Court of Justice rulings on a number of German cases where it was held that Germans had to charge the lower rate of VAT on all hot take-out food, instead of the higher rate.  The UK is at the other end of the spectrum, charging 0% on hot take-out food because of our our permanent derogation from the Sixth Council Directive (77/388/EEC), which therefore allows the UK to zero-rate most foodstuffs.  But the proposal in the budget would see the UK voluntarily give up this derogation, and once it has been given away it is assured we will never get it back.

It would be an act of deeper EU integration.

So, we ask, where is the supposedly heroic and infamous band of ‘81 Tory MPs‘ who profess themselves to be rebellious Eurosceptics?  Were they shouting Osborne down as he committed his budget to the House of Commons?  Or were these tribal drones cheering and waving their order papers with the rest of their playmates as Little Gideon took his seat on the sumptious green leather bench?  Let’s remind ourselves of the facts about these 81 Tories.

Once again we see Ministers of the Crown acting as the gophers for the EU bureacracy.  Our Ministers have many levers of power, but most aren’t connected to anything.  The seat of Government of this country is not Westminster, it’s Brussels – but this is only the case because UK Ministers and those who came before them wanted and allowed that to become the case.  One lever of power that remains is the ability to close the door to Brussels.

There is little point attacking the EU.  The people responsible for maintaining this country’s subservience to the EU are the Ministers and MPs sitting in the House of Commons.  Irrespective of the difficulties and challenges of taking back control of this country, they have the power to withdraw the UK from EU membership.  But as they choose to integrate more deeply with the EU they also choose to resist any desire of the British people to become sovereign once again.

Given the ‘81 Group‘ knows all this, where are they?  Perhaps they are missing in action because as we have stated over and again their faux Euroscepticism doesn’t extend to doing anything that removes the EU from power over this country.  They are consummate Europlastics.

10 Responses to “So where are the 81 Tory ‘Eurosceptic’ MPs now?”

  1. 1 Brian H 24/03/2012 at 12:41 pm

    Fools and their money …

    British fools are learning the truth of the adage, “Elections have consequences.”

  2. 2 permanentexpat 24/03/2012 at 1:44 pm

    Words, except thse despairing few, fail me.

  3. 3 Brian H 24/03/2012 at 3:24 pm

    On a positive note, Australia’s Queensland reduced Labor (ALP) to a rump party, with 6/89 seats. That makes State governments covering 90% of the country’s population now anti-Labor.

  4. 4 Edward. 24/03/2012 at 3:35 pm

    Yes AM, Eurosceptic MP’s and where would they be?

    The same with MEP Hannan, makes great play of his ‘eurosceptic credentials’ yet he remains firmly ensconced in the bosom of the Red Tories – EU supporters to a man and woman, he knows where his bread is buttered that lad.
    Danny boy makes great and populist appeals to the heart and constantly airs on the stupidity, waste and corruption at the heart of the European Soviet – but he makes play with the electorate and to my mind that is akin to extracting the urine.

    What have we had recently from the Westminster HoC village council – fretting about charging for entry into St Stephen’s tower, a budget of mind numbing ineptitude and incompetence, road charging, new runways, booze price fiddling ‘ideas’ from the PM………… all adds up to a crock.

    Perfect for our ‘representatives’, the big picture is that Brussels runs the show, they pretend it’s all out of their hands – how very convenient for them and so the mice do play and claim their expenses and all is well in the surreal ‘bubble’.

  5. 5 Patrick Harris 24/03/2012 at 5:26 pm

    beware the faux, we say the things that people want to hear, sceptics.
    Farage is a dyed in the wool Tory, Simon Heffer uses the right words but is short on action.
    Even the arch EU sceptic Mr. Booker ums and ahs in the pages of the Daily Torygraph, to what end?
    Up ’em all.

  6. 6 Kaewa Koyangi 25/03/2012 at 12:00 am

    “On Dennis Miller’s radio show Thursday Lord Christopher Monckton, a former policy adviser to British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher and an activist against global warming “alarmism,” went all-in on questioning President Barack Obama’s citizenship.

    “… the 3rd Viscount Monckton of Brenchley hinted about his position on the issue in April 2010 at a tea party rally on the National Mall near the White House.
    But on Miller’s show, he said the birth certificate issue was far more important that combatting so-called anthropogenic global warming.

    “I mean, hey you got a president who has a false birth certificate on the Internet, on the White House website,” Monckton said. “It’s not even clear where he was born…

    “… Miller protested by saying he disagreed with the suggestion that Obama has a fraudulent birth certificate. But Monckton dug in his heels.

    “I don’t know whether he is Kenyan or not,” Monckton said.

    “The point is that if I were you, I would want to make absolutely sure that he was born here before allowing him to be elected. And the birth certificate that he put up on that website, I don’t know where he was born. But I do know that birth certificate isn’t genuine.”

    Monckton firmly asserted that the birth certificate on the White House website wasn’t real, and claimed it could be dismantled with software.

    “It appears in layers on the screen in such a way you can remove quite separately each of the individual dates,”

    Monckton said.

    “You use Adobe Illustrator and each of the individual dates is in its own separate layer. This thing has been fabricated. Sheriff [Joe] Arpaio of Arizona has had a team on this for six months. And he has now gone public and said there’s something very desperately wrong with this and of course nobody is saying anything because the entire electorate has been fooled.”

    “… I haven’t a clue where Obama was born and I wouldn’t want to entreat into the private grief behind investigating. But the point is, is what he has done on the White House website is he has put up a document which he is plainly a forgery and I would regard that as a very serious matter.”

  7. 7 Brian H 25/03/2012 at 10:10 am

    Lord M. is quite correct, of course. What is a “real” web image? But the B/C is contained in a pdf provided by the White House, and is a mash-moosh of “layers” (= transparencies in old tech terms).
    A photocopy of a paper document, which the B/C image purports to be, has only one “layer”, the original scan.

    Even if they had been smart enough to print it out and and then scan it, it still wouldn’t have washed. Kerning, margin alignments, and fonts are present which are only available with computer word processors, not typewriters circa 1961.

    P.S. The hospital it names didn’t exist until 1978, 17 yrs. after his “birthdate”.

  8. 8 james higham 26/03/2012 at 9:36 am

    Germans had to charge the lower rate of VAT on all hot take-out food, instead of the higher rate.

    And that sums up about all we need to know about the British government.

  9. 9 Richard Tyndall 09/04/2012 at 1:37 pm

    My impression is that Richard North is incorrect on this. The surrender of the derogation on hot take away food has not just come about in this budget. In fact it was surrendered by a previous Tory administration in 1994 and incorporated into law by the VAT Act 1994.

    Ask any chip shop owner and they will confirm they have had to charge VAT for almost 2 decades. The same has always applied to those outlets too small to challenge HMRC. It is only the big national chains that have got away with it for so long.

    It is of course correct that were we not in the EU we could set our own rules regarding VAT. It is also true that the Europhile Cameron will never accept that and will do all he can to protect the EU from criticism. But on this matter at least, I am afraid this is not a case of ending a derogation, merely enforcing a situation that has already been part of UK law since 1994.

  10. 10 Brian Vissian 13/10/2012 at 10:15 am

    A Eurosceptic is someone who says a lot and does nothing?

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