I completely understand why some people want an in/out referendum, why they wanted it yesterday, why they want it today.
Some people just want to get out: I completely understand that but I don’t share that view, I don’t think that’s the right thing to do.
Those are Cameron’s words. Translated this is what they mean:
Instead of being your elected representative in Parliament, paid handsomely from your tax pounds to carry out your wishes, I will uphold the cynical and destructive democratic deficit in this country; and do all in my power – straining every sinew of my body – to treat you with naked contempt and put first the vested interests of the political class here and across Europe.
You can vote Conservative, Liberal Democrat or Labour and it won’t make any difference. We all think and act the same way.
Enough people will still keep voting for the three main parties to allow us to claim a mandate to act as an elected dictatorship. You will continue paying your taxes, obeying the laws handed down for you to observe, abiding by our diktats, suffering the consequences and discomforts of our actions that are there only to serve the establishment and power brokers who control the fortunes of the political class. So why is there any need to listen to you, let alone do what you ask?
I want this country to be ruled by the EU. Nick Clegg wants this country to be ruled by the EU. Ed Miliband wants this country to be ruled by the EU. That’s the way it is and that’s the way it’s going to be. And you are stuck with it because we have bound you so tightly in rules and regulations, assisted and enforced by unelected and unaccountable placemen in various departments, agencies, quangos and commissions who are also funded by your taxes.
As a result you play the game by the rules we and our paymasters choose. This is the post-democratic age. You only think you have influence. You have no power.
Dear reader, if you want power then it has to be taken back. Our servants have made themselves our masters. They will not give power away. Rejecting these people is not enough, we have to defeat them. The game has to be played differently. The rules of the game no longer apply.
Autonomous Mind 
The rules of the game still apply and they are, if you don’t like him, don’t vote for him. You vote for elected representatives. If they don’t act the way you want, you voted for the wrong person. That’s the British constitution and if you think “the rules of the game no longer apply” you should leave and go somewhere with a different constitution, might I suggest somewhere else in the EU?
Sorry,but your comment is naiive, simplistic, shallow and superficial.
Hahahahahaha Neuroskeptic, your naivety is so wonderfully childish and so full of the innocence that only the deluded, horse blinkered and blinded by the light of the wisdom that comes from our current elites can deliver!
Go read some more puh…leeese….open your mind and exercise cognitive reasoning and intellect and consider this quote “you cannot reason someone out of an opinion that hasn’t been reasoned into it in the first place” Oh and if you want a suggested reading list just look at the sidebar on AM’s site.
What a gem this comment is; “leave and go somewhere with a different constitution, might I suggest somewhere else in the EU?” hahahaha. Firstly I’d love to know where else in the EU (bound by the successive treaties including Lisbon) one could go to live free from Corporatist and Political hegemony? And secondly we British were here as the founders of the major constitutions of the world via Magna Carta, Habeus Corpus , Petition of Right and Bill of Rights long long long before the Corpus Juris codified construct of the EU was ever thought of!
Might I suggest “ EU go please just go and die in a loud undignified manner and let us get back to liberty”
Just a suggestion.
That nerosceptic is a fine example of why those who perform in Parliament can get away with serial ineptitude.
Actually, people like the Neuroskeptic are the reason we are fucked, why we have been fucked, and why we will stay fucked, ad infinitum.
We vote for the same clones every time.
Voting changes fuck all.
Revolution, on the other hand…..
CR.
Andy Baxter – Magna Carta, habeas corpus, etc, are English, rather than British, things. They existed prior to that tragic day in 1707 when England was lumbered with the ball and chain called Scotland.
Dark stuff. And tragically true. Indeed, the historic cycle of Western tragedy is about to take to the modern stage, it seems. Spurred on by the money-men, set against each other by economic chaos and impending poverty, we shall all soon be fighting in the streets a la Weimar: brother against brother, family against family. When the future’s history books come to be written they will look back at our epoch as one beset with all the greed, viciousness and corruption of ancient Rome – but with absolutely none of its grandeur or genius.
Geoff, English yes, I’ll grant you that; BUT the various Acts of Union I would argue aided in strengthening our nation (The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland) not in any did it diminish the individual nor the whole; Where else in the world did the forging of four distinct proud completely different nations result in the greatest human endeavours and achievements in military, exploration, engineering, science, medicine, education, politics, occur?
NOWHERE……..except our Island nations……
The EU can only thrive and prosper by dividing and segmenting nation states into manageable regions…..sadly they ahve been all too succesful so far…..I live in hope and agree with AM’s analysis the game is the same but the rules have cahnged, we have to make the rules now…
All top politicians love the EU. So many exciting summits, so much horse-trading behind closed doors, so many intimate chats with famous people, so many billions to be spent with no accountability, so many banquets and limousine rides, so many opportunities to pose in front of the cameras. It’s like an endless glittering international conference for members of an arcane profession.
It gives them the feeling they are on the world stage, so much more thrilling than dealing with tame, dull domestic issues back home. Who wouldn’t want to be in at the start of a great European super state. And with all those super-bright multilingual eurocrats in Brussels doing all the hard work churning out boring regulations about hazelnuts and the dimensions of wheely bins. No need to know anything about it yourself, just ask the unelected ex-Maoist Barroso!
Except it isn’t a superstate and it won’t ever be one. It is a profoundly undemocratic fraud perpetrated upon the people of 27 countries by arrogant elites who think they know better. Cameron should remember who is paying for it all – there are 550 million of them.
Of course the politicians at the top of the three main parties, and most of those in the rest of the EUSSR, all think alike. The all attended similar higher education Indoctrination Centres studying the same Socio-Political Indoctrination Courses followed by an apprenticeship within a confined political environment before being selected as suitable to be offered to the voters. Most have never been outside that cloistered existence and, like the Medieval Monks, believe only the mentally disturbed and dangerous heretics do not hold the same beliefs.
With reference to “Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars” a document found in a IBM computer, check on internet for more information on this document, if as many posts indicate, the Governing powers have acted with impunity, with regard to the better interests of Britain, no matter who is in Government, as possible and probable nefarious, appearing to beguile the public, is it not reasonable that a hidden agenda, such as the IBM document substantiates.
In part we all have a duty as responsible citizens, to ensure those who are seriously compromised, on all levels of society prone to corruption, are not working in positions for personal power for self seeking advantage, this consequence if unchecked, leading to diminished responsibility to a fatal tragedy and expense for many.
NeuroSEPTIC – You really are Infantile and Treacherous, to support these Communists is nothing short of Treason, what are you going to do when your children start to realise that you are supporting a system that has sold them into a hundred years of debt slavery and civil wars?
Why do you hate Britain?
“We don’t! We just hate all British politicians, who were elected by British voters, under the British constitution, in accordance with ancient British traditions and British law.
But we love Britain, honest”
More evidence that you hate Britain: you want to put Britain in a position where she is thousands of miles of sea away from any allies, facing a superstate of half a billion people, just across the Channel.
That’s what someone who hates Britain would do.
N,
You might want to read this:
http://theylaughedatnoah.blogspot.co.uk/
We were never in the EU. The people never agreed to it. The ECA 1972 was a fraudulent act, and it made a traitor of Heath, Mrs Windsor, and every MP that voted for it.
You cleverly avoid mentioning Norway, which also faces a “…superstate of half a billion people…”
The last time I checked (11 seconds ago) this mighty Union of yours hadn’t invaded Norway.
CR.
Capt Ranty: here here….
I simply cannot get my head around the psychology of people who are still dedicated Eurofanatics. In spite of the evidence continually piling up they still screech, following their unelected masters, ‘It’s all good! The solution to the problems with the EU is more EU!’
What is the game plan then to be Neuroskpetic continue to accept the status quo, be a good little compliant sheep. You say the rules of the game have not changed or at least still apply. Well the question then becomes who’s rules are we to apply here, who sets that standard, indeed by who’s rules do you play by & why. Are these the rules imposed upon us by a political claque? A system designed for and by same political claque?
As for the so called ‘democratic process’ it is just that so called. The reality here in case you have missed it is this WE have no say end of. The people you know the one’s, those who pay their taxes, have real jobs in the real world (whom are coerced into funding through the expropriation of their personal wealth by the state {taxation} this claque of thieves,) have no say beyond the ballot. For the vote is a meaningless trope that is the reality here in the real in which I live & exist in. To say such as you have therefore poses another question, do you really think this system of representative democracy is really democratic let alone representative, and do you really believe that the vote actually changes anything?
Why are you so uninformed on these matters, you clearly have offered nothing of substance and have avoided the issue to hand, simply you failed engage in a debate. Looking at your blog though is itself interesting, posing a related question, are you ‘skeptically’ engaged in some kind of pseudo psychological-analysis for a forthcoming post/paper, or just simply a Troll trying to get their kicks, either way fail!
To close may I politely suggest that before you engage upon a subject of which you know nothing please take the time to get informed, before you spout meaningless troll-like trite.
We have been sold down the river, treated with total contempt. The only way forward if to stop giving them air. It is a complete waste of time supporting any of the main three parties – they no longer represent us.
However, watch out as things get more desperate. More lies, more laws, more control and divide and rule.
Yes. They’re all a bunch of c*nts. Here’s my response. http://batsby.blogspot.co.uk/2012/07/foul-ref.html
So succinctly put, I could not have done a better job ! It should be stuck up on all public buildings so everyone can read what they voted for. I feel like taking a double spread in the Times or other with your words plastered across both pages. We must get the truth out and there and change people’s way of thinking (or not as the case may be!)