Open letter to Philip Gordon, US Assistant Secretary for European Affairs

Dear Mr Gordon,

I read with interest the following comment you made on behalf of the Government of the United States of America, in your capacity as US Assistant Secretary for European Affairs, regarding the United Kingdom’s membership of the European Union:

We have a growing relationship with the EU as an institution, which has an increasing voice in the world, and we want to see a strong British voice in that EU. That is in America’s interests. We welcome an outward-looking EU with Britain in it.

This comes as no surprise as it reflects the thinking of other senior members of the Obama administration, who have previously opined that the United Kingdom should remain a member of the EU.

The President of the United States is considered by many to be the leader of the free world, and the United States itself considered to be a beacon of democracy.  So it is profoundly disappointing to see the United States administration endorsing and encouraging something that is fundamentally undemocratic.  I would like to ask you the following questions.

  • Would it be acceptable to you and your fellow United States citizens that over 70% of the laws and regulations they were forced to comply with across all 50 states were created by a supranational government comprising layers of complex political and judicial structures, mostly unelected and unaccountable, and made up of delegates from not only the US, but Canada, Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, Belize, El Salvador, Panama, Colombia, Venezuela and Peru?
  • Would it be acceptable to you, your fellow United States citizens and members of the Senate and House of Representatives that they were routinely handed diktats from the various bodies that make up the supranational government and were bound by law to implement the directives or be fined or dragged into a supranational court operating an alien form of judicial code and process?  Further, that Congress was denied the ability to draft, and the President sign into law, other legislation of national interest whenever the supranational decided it was not appropriate?
  • Would it be acceptable to you, your fellow United States citizens and the Justices of the Supreme Court that decisions made by the bench, the highest court in your land, could be appealed to a supranational court overseas with the hearing presided over by foreign judges and if overruled the Supreme Court would have to accept that as a binding ruling?

If these scenarios do not sound very democratic or judicious to you and your fellow Americans it is because they are not.  Intentionally and by design.  But this is the reality of the United Kingdom’s membership of the European Union and its associated bodies and institutions.  UK membership of the EU has entailed a substantial loss of power from our democratically elected Parliament as it has been quietly and steadily transferred to unelected and unaccountable bodies abroad – all done without the people of the UK being asked to give their consent for it to happen.

While it may be in the geopolitical interest of the Government of the United States for the United Kingdom to remain a member of the European Union, opinion polls show this anti-democratic situation is opposed by a majority of British citizens.  Membership of the EU dilutes the voice of the United Kingdom.  Seats on various world bodies held by the UK have been given up so the EU can supposedly represent the competing and disparate interests of 27 countries in a wholly unsatisfactory fudge that frequently fails to serve British interests.

I am sure you will recognise the obvious contradiction in the position of the United States, on one hand calling for Syria’s regime to heed the wishes of the Syrian people, while on the other calling for the government of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to maintain membership of the EU, despite the wishes of the British people.  I am sure you will also recognise the obvious contradiction of the United States urging countries around the world to embrace democracy, while urging the United Kingdom to maintain its place in political and judicial structures that replace representative democracy with control by unelected and unaccountable aliens who are drawn from a pool of self-selecting career politicians and civil servants.

Would such a situation be an acceptable settlement in the United States?  I think we both know the answer to that is categorically ‘no’.

No one who believes in democracy – people power – would endorse and encourage a continuation of this anti-democratic situation for the United Kingdom.  That is what this issue is about.  So, Mr Gordon, please do not presume to meddle in our affairs and wish on us that which you would aggressively oppose for yourself.

Yours sincerely,

Autonomous Mind

91 Responses to “Open letter to Philip Gordon, US Assistant Secretary for European Affairs”

  1. 1 WitteringsfromWitney 09/01/2013 at 11:08 pm

    Nicely said AM! A well-crafted, circumspect extension of the words “Foxtrot Oscar” :)

  2. 2 Jeremy Bridges 09/01/2013 at 11:37 pm

    Very well put. Exceedingly well put. I hope and trust that this excellent document will find its way to the Office of this wretched American Diplomat – Mr Gordon. Please add my warmest regards to Mr Gordon and the American Administration and tell them:

    God damn your impertinence
    Keep your intrusive nose out of our domestic affairs
    Start putting your own house in order. That should keep you occupied for the next millenium

    Warmest Good Wishes.

    Jeremy Bridges

  3. 3 PeterMG 09/01/2013 at 11:50 pm

    I thought that this would get your creative juices running. How dare they. But the US has a history of incompetence in diplomacy that goes a long way back. Its any wonder that most of the world at some point or another finds them irksome to say the least. But with a bit more of this sort of diplomacy and we will have our referendum next week.

  4. 4 Paul Perrin (@pperrin) 10/01/2013 at 12:22 am

    A nice post with only one flaw. The USA have zero respect for the rights of anyone who is not an American. Further they have zero respect for a growing section of Americans who they do not like for various reasons.

    So they would not accept these things for themselves, but for others… No problem….

  5. 5 Edward. 10/01/2013 at 12:35 am

    How good was that?

    Very good indeed and nicely weighed AM, well said indeed!

    A gold star x 2.

  6. 6 Falco 10/01/2013 at 7:22 am

    To be fair to the buggers, what could they have done to give a greater boost to the anti EU cause?

  7. 7 Andy Baxter 10/01/2013 at 10:03 am

    answer comes there if, let us know…..

  8. 8 Brian Hull 10/01/2013 at 1:09 pm

    So very well put, I have added a verbatim copy on my blog, crediting you, in the hope get to a wider audience.

  9. 9 meltemian 10/01/2013 at 2:20 pm

    Terrific! Well done AM,

  10. 10 ☾Moony 月亮 (@Moon___Unit) 10/01/2013 at 3:43 pm

    Ticks every box. Excellent. I expect at least 10 US diplomatic staff will be required to a) Comprehend it and b) Answer it.

  11. 11 nisakiman 10/01/2013 at 4:06 pm

    An excellent letter. Now the trick is to get it in front of Mr Gordon’s nose. Although I’m sure he’s well aware of all the points you make.

    As PP points out, the USA are more than happy to encourage Britain to do what they themselves would never dream of doing.

  12. 12 thespecialone 10/01/2013 at 6:05 pm

    Absolutely spot on AM. I was so angry when I heard that yank that nobody over here has ever heard of. Then there was Douglas Alexander spouting off that the unknown yank was quite right as was Branson. And yet people will likely vote for the party that Alexander is in in 2015 giving them back the role of puppet to the EU. Makes you sick doesn’t it?

  13. 13 john in cheshire 10/01/2013 at 6:30 pm

    AM, adding to the cheers above, well said. I suppose I’d add that it would be appropriate for the socialists in the governing bodies of the USA to keep their noses out of our domestic politics.

  14. 14 Solinkaa 10/01/2013 at 7:03 pm

    Great post. The thing is, all the issues you have listed would actually be acceptable to this President. This administration is handing over powers to the UN in an unprecedented manner. You nailed it in the last para: “No one who believes in democracy…” This administration doesn’t.

    In reference to an earlier comment, agreed, this administration has no respect for a growing section of Americans in equal measure.

  15. 15 Rowena in Derbyshire 10/01/2013 at 9:08 pm

    Couldn’t have put it better myself! Infernal cheek on Gordon’s part. How would he like to have this group of unelected,money grubbing people, calling itself a parliament, continually sending out diktats from Brussels, usually of total rubbish – witness the shape of bananas!
    Britain has had good laws, careing for the human rights of its inhabitants, for decades before anyone had a tiny thought about the EU, the last thing we need is this undemocratic group of so called judges issuing reams of rules that are considerably less helpful to the population – unless it is the criminal element!
    We joined the European Common Market and were bulldosed into the European Union without a by your leave.
    I hope this will all be printed and delivered to the US embassy to try to make sure this US pipsqueak sees what we think about his interfering ideas.

  16. 16 Jonathan Stuart-Brown 10/01/2013 at 11:46 pm

    Obama has just axed the pastor due to give the benediction blessing at his Presidential inaugeration because he went off-message on gay marriage. This pastor was chosen because of his outstanding work on opposing human trafficking.

  17. 17 StrongUnitedKingdom 11/01/2013 at 10:17 am

    An excellent article up to the point Obama is a collectivist and is leading the US nation down the same path as the EU is leading the member states, and the UN is attempting to lead the World.

    With the exception of Eisenhower, all presidents since 1945 have largely chosen their team from the ranks of the Trilateral Commission and and the Council on Foreign Relations. And between these two groups their is apparently a 50% overlap of members. The net result is that regardless of which party is voted in you get the same players behind the scenes running the show.

    When the overlap & relationships between these two bodies, global corporations and the 12 banks that own the Federal Reserve is understood, who runs the US becomes clear. The US power players funded and supported the creation of the EEC post 1945, against the wishes of the people of Europe who had just fought and lost heavily in the fight against non-democratically imposed central control, because it was in their interest. They also directly support the set up of the USSR as is was felt it would be easier to control as one market. An understanding of the NeoCon Munroe Doctrine will clarify this further. Obama is their current figurehead, no more no less. Romney would have picked up the same baton if elected.

    This is the mirror image of the farce we have in Europe where all main parties are pro-EU and are selling their countries out as fast as possbie. Gordon is applying pressure here to shore up the house of cards that underpins the New World Order that Bush Junior was so keen on referring to during his Presidency.

    Meanwhile the populations are kept busy with debt, drugs and poor quality TV, and are kept scared with the War on Terror, AGW and fear of job loss from Globalisation. This is apparently the progress we have made from Roman times and their use of bread and circuses.

  18. 18 Andrew Smith 11/01/2013 at 9:20 pm

    All great comments on a great article.

    But has anyone considered that these US comments and the German ones today might be made with Cameron’s prior knowledge. He might have called in favours. If he can give the impression all his mates want us to stay in the EU and he makes a very mild suggestion of maybe, just possibly, altering our deal just a teensy weensy bit (OK, you get the point), he might hope to persuade the press to report his upcoming speech as defiant, statesman like, strong, etc etc etc.

    Well he has to do something doesn’t he. A mere cast iron promise of a referendum on something uncertain after a hypothetical future General Election is not going to easy!

  19. 19 wayne 11/01/2013 at 10:53 pm

    They (the USA) will give a copy of the above letter to george w Bush to read (i know he’s nothing to do with the government anymore – bare with me…) and after careful consideration, he will colour it in with the new crayons Obarma gave him at christmas… Britain would be better off joining forces with a country like Canada in my opinion…

  20. 20 M Hayworth (@hayworthUK) 11/01/2013 at 11:13 pm

    Excellent letter. Just sent it on to my friends in Canada to warn them while their government in negotiating with this nightmarish EU regime!

  21. 21 D Ashworth 12/01/2013 at 9:46 am

    The US could lead by example and also form its own single market with Mexico and South America, I look forward to seeing the smiles of the Mexicans and other nations as the border controls are removed and everyone is free to work in the US of A

  22. 22 PersonFromPorlock 15/01/2013 at 1:49 pm

    You raise excellent questions and I’m sure Mr. Gordon will be getting back to you Real Soon Now.

  23. 23 Frances Auger 15/01/2013 at 1:53 pm

    The Obama over reach … international big government is always the answer. Cheers.

  24. 24 Gene 15/01/2013 at 2:05 pm

    Mr. Gordon’s boss sees no boundary to his current role. He’ll be running the UN in 2016. A nice tidy EU would be ideal then, hence this move.

    As a Yank i am embarrassed by our last two Presidents.

  25. 25 GarrettK 15/01/2013 at 2:05 pm

    As a US resident, we already have a large, overarching body which keeps increasing its own power and writes huge number of laws which we are required to abide by: the US Congress. Granted, we have the ability to elect our CongressCritters, barely, but for most of us it feels much the same way.

    What I do find amusing, however, is the suggestion that the US stay out of your affairs. I frequently see non-residents/residents commenting on US domestic policy. Complaints about trade practices. Acusations and derision when it comes to issues of purely domestic interest (health care and gun rights most recently). At least promoting a unified EU has the goal of not having the US sucked into yet another European war.

  26. 26 annademo01 15/01/2013 at 2:08 pm

    Barack Obama is no friend of Great Britain. Neither is the EU.

  27. 27 dontplayrockytop 15/01/2013 at 2:08 pm

    Excellent. But what if having the US subjugated to a supranational body of elites is EXACTLY what Mr Obama really wants, deep in his marxist little heart?

  28. 28 Merina Smith 15/01/2013 at 2:09 pm

    An American here–Amen to everything in the original article and the comments. More Americans than you know agree with you completely and root for you in throwing of the EU yoke. It was a dumb idea to start with and gets dumber by the day. If you can defeat the EU, we can defeat ours, Obama and the anti-democratic left.

  29. 29 thinkingdownstream 15/01/2013 at 2:12 pm

    As an American, I would like to apologize on behalf of nearly half of the American people for the witless, self-centered, clueless behavior of our President and his staff. Narcissism drives President Obama and his organization.

    The truth is that the vast majority of Americans value our longstanding relationship with the UK and I for one wholeheartedly support you leaving the EU.

    Frankly, many of us over here wonder why you joined the EU in the first place – and then why you didn’t leave the EU long ago. In fairness, the EU is pretty much what it was advertised to be. You are experiencing what seemed fairly obvious and inevitable from the beginning.

    Good luck.

  30. 30 Pete Jensen 15/01/2013 at 2:12 pm

    Dear Britain;

    The portion of America who are not batsh!t insane globalist @$$tards would like to apologize for our government and the occupant of the Oval Office. We are deeply ashamed to have allowed him to be elected.

    Pay no attention to that pathetic little man or his apparatchiks. You keep on keeping on.


    The Rest of Us

  31. 31 Squid 15/01/2013 at 2:14 pm

    On behalf of the remnant of intelligent Americans that haven’t yet been driven to insanity by the electoral decisions of our neighbors, I implore you not to judge all of us by the actions of our incompetent “leaders.”

    Believe me, they’re even less popular with us than they are with you.

  32. 32 JackT 15/01/2013 at 2:14 pm

    The Obama administration is composed of leftists, and as such they absolutely love concepts like the EU, which is essentially the mega-bureaucracy of their dreams. (Who among them does not secretly wish for the power to dictate, for example, which types of tomatoes may be legally bought and sold in grocery stores?)
    While this article was very eloquent, I would have just summarized by saying “f**k off”, and left it at that.

  33. 33 pete 15/01/2013 at 2:17 pm

    Ignore the incompetent in the white house and his administration. Take care of yourselves and your countrymen. If you stay in the EU they will bleed you dry economically.

  34. 34 Can't wait until the next election... 15/01/2013 at 2:17 pm

    As an American who did not vote for Obama; please remember 3 things: 1) What the writer describes is Obama’s utopia–and he has been forcing the US down this overburdensome, big-government, crony-capitalism path since he was elected; 2) The socialistic side of the EU administration and rule-making appeal to his inner core, at the expense of what has made America as good as it has been in the past 200+ years, and 3) He has a habit of telling people what to do, despite the fact he cannot manage what he has before him, nor understand the issues that others are facing. I guess all that experience as a community organizer just doesn’t relate….

  35. 35 Steven L. Carr 15/01/2013 at 2:19 pm

    As a US citizen, I heartily concur with your commentary. I don’t want the US becoming more like the EU, which our president seems intent upon encouraging, and I certainly don’t blame the UK for wanting out of the EU. Here’s to your success!

  36. 36 Chris Hendricks (@DadOf6) 15/01/2013 at 2:22 pm

    Not all of us here in the US agree with the administration’s request. Some of us understand that the EU is not better. But be assured that the Obama administration is all for the increasing of regulation and control over people, so this is right up their alley.

    I agree with Gene that these recent presidents are embarrassing. But glad to see that there are people in the UK who not afraid to stand up for what is right. Thanks for your letter.

  37. 37 DaveD 15/01/2013 at 2:23 pm

    As an American I applaud your letter as well as the replies of most posters here. I do not follow British politics very closely which is the usual for an American I guess but even if you free yourself from the bureaucratic morass that is the EU I get the feeling that alone you will continue to confront the problem of unelected bureaucrats running your lives. Like in the States you will elect that type of government willingly yourself without having it imposed by a supernational organization.

  38. 38 Margo 15/01/2013 at 2:23 pm

    This kind of thinking should only increase in Brittain–and the US. Right now it’s sadly lacking.

  39. 39 BryanM 15/01/2013 at 2:24 pm

    We Americans would never accept such limitations on our own sovereignty, so it disappoints (but doesn’t surprise) that our administration prefers that the sovereignty of others be diminished. Please bear in mind that not all Yanks agree with the opinions expressed by Mr. Gordon.

  40. 40 DaMav 15/01/2013 at 2:26 pm

    Now just a doggone minute here! Prior to the US agreeing to these skillfully argued points on behalf of the Brits there is a certain matter of one insufferable, pompous hot air balloon, Piers Morgan, which Americans would like to see repossessed by his country of origin…. Then we can talk ;-)

  41. 41 aita 15/01/2013 at 2:29 pm

    frighteningly enough, Obama would indeed love it if the United States was forced to live under a ton of foreign rules, That’s his wet dream.

  42. 42 fustian 15/01/2013 at 2:34 pm

    I would just point out that individual American citizens are not supporters of the EU. I cannot speak for our current leftist government, which I am quite sure would be overjoyed to turn the whole thing over to the UN if they thought they could get away with it.

  43. 43 Thomass 15/01/2013 at 2:37 pm

    I love the sentiment of your letter but you really don’t know the Obama administration.

    I think their answers to your questions would be a resounding YES!

    There are examples of all your points that go in those directions.

    As to me; I’m with you. Do what you think is best. If we have suggestions or points to consider before you make a decision; we should make them as arguments… not declarations about our vision of the future.

  44. 44 niblicksreach 15/01/2013 at 2:38 pm

    Now you know what we have to deal wiith here in the States. Glad to see it takes a Brit to point out to the Administration what an intellectually corrupt on it truly is today. As a fellow blogging friend often says: He is not that smart and is a nasty little man.

  45. 45 BackwardsBoy 15/01/2013 at 2:39 pm

    Another Yank who agrees with the author here. Please ignore the bleatings of our current administration, independent Americans who desire nothing more than to be left alone already do so. Resist the globalist’s urgings and movements toward a one-world government that places power in the hands of unelected bureaucrats and embrace self-rule and nationalism.

  46. 46 Don 15/01/2013 at 2:40 pm

    AM and our friends across The Pond,

    Many, in fact MOST, in America would never accept such a situation, and in fact if such a thing were tried there’d likely be a revolt (literally).

    That said, out political “leaders” have come to believe that their goal is to move us in the direction of a Star Trek-like world government, which is peaceful, benevolent, and makes decisions wisely with perfect fore-thought.

    They forget that this was also the goal of the Soviets and the Nazi’s, and look where that got us.

    As you said, they don’t care much for many of their countrymen, “for various reasons,” and one of the big reasons is that many of us KNOW what lies down the road where they are leading us.


    Keep up the good fight!

  47. 47 Cas 15/01/2013 at 2:46 pm

    11/01/2013 at 10:53 pm
    They (the USA) will give a copy of the above letter to george w Bush to read (i know he’s nothing to do with the government anymore – bare with me…) and after careful consideration, he will colour it in with the new crayons Obarma gave him at christmas… Britain would be better off joining forces with a country like Canada in my ” So, you read a column about the arrogance of the odious Obama and feel a need to take a gratuitous shot at George Bush? In fact, contrary to what the Obama worshipers in Europe believe, Bush was not nearly as detrimental to US interests as the odious Obama, and would not have been so arrogant as to interfere in British affairs.

  48. 48 Cynthea Sabolich 15/01/2013 at 2:48 pm

    What the writer doesn’t understand is that YES, the Obama regime does want to hobble the United States republic of States and fold it into a supraglobal government run by the UN. Exactly what will Mr. Obama do in 4 years? Become a citizen voice without power? Raise money with other ex-Presidents? Go on the lecture circuit like other commoners? No, my friend. While he can, Mr. Obama will sign as many treaties as he can get away with, giving up USA sovereignty, handing it over to the UN, and then, when we are but a part, of which Honduras will have an equal voice, THEN he will become leader of the world. And you, England, oh England, will be condemned to stay under that group which will swoon at the chance to be ruled by him.
    Wake up world. It isn’t just the American Constitution at jeopardy anymore.

  49. 49 Zaggs 15/01/2013 at 2:55 pm

    You don’t know the Obama administration too well. All of that would be totally acceptable to them.

  50. 50 LogicalUS 15/01/2013 at 3:05 pm

    Hate to break it to ya…but the Obama administration will be bewildered that Britains would not love all these unelected people running every aspect of your lives.

    For Obama and his cadre of closest advisors, their model and desired government has always been the Soviet’s Politburo and Castro’s Cuba.

    These people in the Obama administration are the hard core ‘useful idiots” which the Soviets talked about for years and to show how stupid these people are they were some of the ones TOO dumb to even change their thinking after the truth about the Soviets came out with coming down of the wall.

    Your questions will fall on deaf ears.

  51. 51 nuge01 15/01/2013 at 3:15 pm

    >>>>Would it be acceptable to you and your fellow United States citizens that over 70% of the laws and regulations they were forced to comply with across all 50 states were created by a supranational government comprising layers of complex political and judicial structures, mostly unelected and unaccountable, and made up of delegates from not only the US, but Canada, Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, Belize, El Salvador, Panama, Colombia, Venezuela and Peru?<<<<


  52. 52 Amy 15/01/2013 at 3:20 pm

    LOL!!! Now all you stuffy anti-American commenters here know how we Americans feel every time some Brit twit or Eurotrash sniffs that we should be doing this or that to our own national detriment but FOR THE COMMON GOOD (Kyoto, anyone?).

    I’m a proud American of British extraction (last name very British), and I was brought up to be proud of that, but you supercilious anti-American turds make me ashamed of my genetic heritage. Dare I say maybe you have more of the Frog rather than the Anglo about you? You lot were glad enough to see us back in the 40’s and I dare say you will again after we kick this hot mess of socialists we’ve elected to the curb in 4 years and once again have some handouts or military clout to give the world.

    That said, BRAVO, Autonomous Mind, for an excellent controlled and civil rant. This jerk Gordon doesn’t speak for all of us.

  53. 53 tooldtowork 15/01/2013 at 3:23 pm

    LogicalUS is absolutely correct.

    The problem is that the Obama Administration wants exactly what you outline in your three questions. They would cede US sovereignty to other countries, which is why they are so eager to embrace anti freedom initiatives from the United Nations.

    To them having the people of a nation such as Britain or the US is a huge flaw in society. After all, they are all so much smarter than the rest of us.

    Fortunately most Americans seem to disagree with the Administration on this.

    Good luck in what ever your people decide.

  54. 54 stackp17 15/01/2013 at 3:24 pm

    Reblogged this on critical thinking and commented:
    It seems the current administration’s ability to annoy our friends in the U.K will continue unabated in the second term. How amateurish to note “America’s interests” in giving recommendations to an ally while pointedly ignoring the interests of the ally…

    Here is nice response from British blogger Autonomous Mind

  55. 55 gus3 15/01/2013 at 3:27 pm

    Imagine this read (or ad-libbed) by MP Daniel Hannan, and it becomes that much more compelling.

  56. 56 Bill Dalasio 15/01/2013 at 3:28 pm

    For what it’s worth, please accept this American’s well-said and hear hear! For our political class to ask you to defer the very rights and liberties our political system learned from yours to an effectively unaccountable body of transnational elites is an embarrassment, to put it euphemistically. Please accept my apologies, at least, on behalf of the people of the United States. As others suggest, no doubt Mr. Gordon’s comments derive from the fact that many in the U.S. political class would like nothing more than to have their policy preferences decided transnationally (in part by them) and to be able to go to the citizenry claiming that their hands were tied. Since they can’t win the day by honest discussion and debate with their fellow citizens they’ll push it through by machinations at court. I’ve no doubt you’ve your own set of such politicians.

  57. 57 Tex Taylor 15/01/2013 at 3:30 pm

    I can add little to the mostly correct thinking from above, but as a Yank from the reddest of red states, never allow yourselves to forget one simple Obama creed, the closest thing to jackbooted thugs stamped with ‘made in America’ our Republic has ever laid witness:

    “Do as we say, not as we do.”

    These crusaders and zealots of nanny government, believing only they are worthy and ordained, will save us serfs from our sins and abject stupidity all over the globe.

    And they’re doing such a fine job as we speak.

  58. 58 Ben Franklin 15/01/2013 at 3:52 pm

    Obama would be ecstatic for the US to be subject to the tyrannies mentioned in the letter. He is both a fool and a Marxist and absolutely adores the idea of power being unanswerable and concentrated in as few hands as possible. He rules by fiat himself in ignoring laws he does not agree with, refusing to comply with court orders and in mobilizing the power of government to capriciously pick the winners and losers in the US economy. We won’t even get into the execution of US citizens without trial who are not in a war zone or the million other outrages he commits on a daily basis.

    You are barking up the wrong tree if you think such a person would find anything wrong with any of the things you mention as being unbearable usurpations of the right of self-governance. Indeed, he is the most tyrannical leader North Americans have been subject to since FDR, and before that, King George himself. And a good half of the American people are of similar mind these days.

    So expect no help from the American corner in regaining your liberties and rights. We are in a desperate struggle for our own at the moment.

  59. 59 John P. Squibob 15/01/2013 at 3:56 pm

    Autonomous Mind,

    Those bullet points that you tick off? Here across the pond our current Administration would be considered them to be not a bug but a feature.

    Recall Mrs. Thatcher’s response in your Parliament that the Socialist’s desire was to push the wealthier down to the level of the poor rather than raise the poor up? The Socialist’s running my country are trying to do the same, politically.

    Kind regards,

  60. 60 Nopefull 15/01/2013 at 4:00 pm

    235 years ago the British colonies in the New World fought a war of independence to rid our citizens of unrepresented governance, much like the Brits are facing now. For a US senior representative to urge GB to stay in the EU is the epitome of irony. The US constitution was written to affirm the rights of INDIVIDUALS above the rights of a government. However, For Obama’s government, the state is more important than the individual and if could, he would move the US to be subject to rules of a new world order as evidenced by his willingness to be influenced by the corrupt UN.

  61. 61 SGT Ted 15/01/2013 at 4:00 pm

    Well, Obama is a Transnationalist Progressive, so he thinks such authoritarian arrangments such as the EU and UN are Good and individual and national sovereignty are Bad. He, like all authoritarians, would prefer to deal with one dicatator, rather than many free nations or peoples. Look at how he is attacking US Civil Liberties here at home. What makes you think he would treat other nations any differently?

  62. 62 Scottch 15/01/2013 at 4:16 pm

    Yet another American here with both an apology and a clarification for our British cousins.

    Try not to judge us by our current Dear Leader.

    I figured he had a burr up his butt when he returned that bust of Churchill, and his actions his entire time in office have not led me to revise that opinion.

    By the way, while the majority would likely support you, if you get into another frackas in the Falklands you may have to make do on your own as I don’t believe the current resident of the White House would allow for US military or political support should shooting start again such as we did last time (like aerial refueling support and political backing in the international arena, for instance).

    Anyway, the national face you guys see across the Atlantic is most likely reflective of a culture based Washington, DC, Hollywood, or the news media.

    The real America is nothing like that culture, no more than the public image we are fed of your country accurately reflects you.

    We have just, unfortunately, allowed a bare 51% majority of those who bothered to vote last November saddle us with this dip$hit for another four years….try to bear with us while we mitigate the damage as best we can.

  63. 63 Tex 15/01/2013 at 4:17 pm

    As an American I would like to say this: Obama is not your friend. He is not America’s friend. I would recommend that you do the opposite of whatever Obama tells you to do. I would also like to apologize. I did the best I could to rid us all of this man through our last election process–called people, went door to door, etc. I apologize that my efforts were not enough. I hope that America survives the next 4 years intact and recognizable as a nation of freedom and independence, but I fear we will not. I hope the same for Britain.

  64. 64 Bill V 15/01/2013 at 4:48 pm

    The spirit of liberty lives on in our mother country!

    Seriously, sorry for the arrogance of our current administration. Obama and his ilk don’t want a freer, sovereign, independent UK (or America).

  65. 65 Blacque Jacques Shellacque 15/01/2013 at 4:59 pm

    “Would it be acceptable to you and your fellow United States citizens that over 70% of the laws and regulations they were forced to comply with across all 50 states were created by a supranational government comprising layers of complex political and judicial structures, mostly unelected and unaccountable, and made up of delegates from not only the US, but Canada, Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, Belize, El Salvador, Panama, Colombia, Venezuela and Peru?”

    If you asked this to the face of the current occupant of the White House, be not surprised if the answer you were given is YES.

  66. 66 Robert Sendler 15/01/2013 at 5:03 pm

    You’ll have to excuse us, we’re in the process of deciding if we want to be citizens or subjects. The Obama administration has far more in common with the EU the it does with the United States of America. We are in the unique(for us anyway)position of having elected an American president who hates the country he presides over.

  67. 67 David Ferguson (@dferg) 15/01/2013 at 5:15 pm

    Good response, but, your error is assuming that the current American administration intends to defend American sovereignty.

  68. 68 Lee Reynolds 15/01/2013 at 5:16 pm

    Upon reading Anonymous’ description of the EU’s relationship to the UK, I could not help but be reminded of the relationship between the federal government of the United States and the governments of the sovereign states themselves.

    Here in Arizona we passed a law at the state level to deal with illegal immigration. Nothing in this law was novel or contradictory to existing law the federal level. In fact it mirrored federal law very closely. Yet we were told that we are not allowed to enact and enforce laws that correspond to federal law when the executive branch of the federal government is not interested in enforcing those laws. This is but one example.

    The problem with federal governments, whether they be the EU or the US, is that the sovereign powers of their member states tend to be usurped, even when the system in question is designed to prevent this from happening.

    The rationale behind the EU was the prevention of yet another European war. The problem with this approach is that war is replaced by the tyranny of the New Class. The best way to avoid unnecessary war is through economic interdependence and trade. Had the EU remained the EEC, this aim would have been achieved.

  69. 69 Mark 15/01/2013 at 5:28 pm

    Ignore the man. Obama shows so little respect to America’s own democracy and Bill of Rights it is ironic that his administration would offer this critique to the Brits. Stand strong against collective government for your independence and liberties. There is a reason that an intelligent God made the UK an island separate and apart from Europe.

  70. 70 Kevin M 15/01/2013 at 6:08 pm

    You Brits do understand that the structures of Europe are something President Obama envies and is trying to create here? He has already created two such, in a medical price control board that can instruct Congress and is immune to repeal, and a consumer finance organization whose budget is autonomous and whose current chairman was appointed by the President without Congressional approval as is normal.

    So, while I well follow your objections, and wish you Godspeed on your way out of the EU, don’t suppose that any such democratic notions infuse the current American government.

  71. 71 Steevo 15/01/2013 at 6:24 pm

    I’m American and agree very much with Autonomous Mind. But this sentiment by the Barack Obama administration should not be a surprise and I’m really wondering… We conservative/libertarian and in favor of Brit sovereignty and independence are constantly degraded as inferior by your popular press and many citizens at large – a majority wanting a leftist pro-statist American president and government here. It’s easy to conclude very little “America” does will be looked upon favorably by present day Great Britain, a generation befitting Great Victim with respect to this side of the Atlantic.

  72. 72 Micha Elyi 15/01/2013 at 6:28 pm

    To be fair to the buggers, what could they have done to give a greater boost to the anti EU cause?

    American know-how has engineered the splicing of the Greenham Common women with the BNP. It’s ugly but GMO free!

  73. 73 John Unger 15/01/2013 at 8:31 pm

    As an American, I offer my sincerest apologies for the inanity of our current administration.
    Their opinions are not representative of our perspectives. In fact, for the past few years I’ve felt that both the UK and Germany would be much stronger for not being in the EU.
    Best wishes.

  74. 74 Radegunda 15/01/2013 at 9:21 pm

    Unfortunately, Obama would find all those conditions quite acceptable, as long as those international bodies are run by people in ideological sync with him. He’s not a big fan of national sovereignty, whether American or British.

  75. 75 Autonomous Mind 15/01/2013 at 9:51 pm

    Thank you everyone who has landed here from the US for your kind comments, links, reblogs and most important of all, for keeping Piers Morgan! (No, DaMav, you can keep the hypocritical, phone hacking, socialist windbag. We already have too many like him over here).

    I readily agree that Obama and Co would probably love to replicate the EU model on your side of the pond. But compared to the UK, the US has far more democratic protection, the backstop of a written Constitution, and a Supreme Court that is actually sovereign.

    You have no idea how much I envy your comparative freedom. Here’s hoping the conservative base in the US gets its act together, and increases its majority in the House and takes control of the Senate and the White House with a small government agenda.

    Best wishes to you all from Blighty. God Bless America!

  76. 76 Radegunda 15/01/2013 at 10:24 pm

    D. Ashworth: “I look forward to seeing the smiles of the Mexicans and other nations as the border controls are removed and everyone is free to work in the US of A.”

    Hate to break it to you, but that’s essentially the case already. Obama & Holder have filed suit against state governments that attempt to enforce federal immigration law and protect their citizens. This administration is using tax funds to advertise in Mexico to tell Mexican nationals how to get on U.S. welfare. Our border agents are armed with beanbags. For all practical purposes, we’ve got open borders with promises of welfare and “affirmative action” on top. It’s all designed to crush national identity, balloon the welfare state, and stick it to whitey.

  77. 77 Andrew 15/01/2013 at 11:12 pm

    As an American, let me just say this….Here, here. Well said.

    I apologize for the aholes we have running our Government right now. Please rest assured that they are the “Worst.Political.Class.Ever” in the history of this country. And the arrogant $rick at the top is the worst.

    Get the US out of the UN, and get the UN out of the US. Get the UK out of the EU.

    Send the UN to Brussels. They deserve each other.

  78. 78 Michael Lonie 16/01/2013 at 1:02 am

    As an American citizen, I think telling Assistant Secretary of State for European Affairs Gordon to sod off would have been both appropriate and sufficient.

  79. 79 GMS 16/01/2013 at 2:31 am

    As an American, I personally despise the tyrant Obama. In fact, your questions sir, which ought to be rhetorical, would be answered in the affirmative by Obama and his ilk. YES, he would love to subject the USA and its citizens to an unaccountable super-authority, because this is exactly what he is doing inside the USA. YES, he would very much like to subjugate the American people to a world body. YES, YES, a hundred times yes. He is a tyrant, pure and simple, and no fan of the real American spirit. He promised to “fundamentally transform” our country and he is doing it. Sadly, the American people have become so complacent and lazy (fat, dumb and happy is an expression which is unfortunately literally accurate), that we continue to vote for idiots like Obama. The culture is damaged, perhaps beyond repair. People get the government that they deserve, and we deserve this one. I hope that we can recover from this malaise without a complete disintegration, but each day I become less hopeful that it is possible. My prediction is that within 10 years the entire economy will collapse, and the USA will splinter into two or even more countries.

  80. 80 ThisIsMyShockedFace 16/01/2013 at 5:38 am

    Man, the USA bashers coming out in full force. You are right to tell the meddling White House hack to suck it. This is the admin you limey jackholes petitioned the US to elect. All of you euro trash can suck it.

  81. 81 Montjoie 16/01/2013 at 5:52 am

    The problem with your hypotheticals is that, yes indeed, those would be acceptable scenarios for the present US government, because they assume they will be the ones on those boards, courts and bureaucracies.

  82. 82 mfdrake 16/01/2013 at 7:09 am

    As an American I am disgusted by Mr. Gordon presuming to tell the British government how they should conduct their affairs. I can honestly say that I would not support the regulations and stipulations that come with being a member of a conglomerate of nations. It takes a truly foolish administration to try to convince another country to do something that we would not do ourselves. Then again, the Obama administration has shown how inept and out of touch with reality they really are.

  83. 83 Adam 16/01/2013 at 3:47 pm

    As an American I completely agree with this post. Extremely well written and articulate. The United States, especially over the last 12 years, has had a stupendously poor and ham-fisted approach to foreign policy. Which is why I am shocked that you folks seemed to universally support Barack Obama. His foreign policy track record is horrendous and has benefited nobody. He is an international war criminal and continues to mercilessly slaughter the people of Pakistan via drone warfare. Why not instead support a libertarian candidate, who specifically advocates that American interventionalism ends? 4 years from now, take a look at one of the unfortunately few third parties. We are a small but growing group here in the States and would appreciate your consideration. Enough of these foolish Democrats or Republicans!

  84. 84 Autonomous Mind 16/01/2013 at 5:08 pm

    It was the political class and the media in the UK that supported Obama. A majority of the people I spoke with when asked about the election said they wouldn’t have supported him if they had a say, or didn’t care who won because it wasn’t their business. Obama is the establishment’s man.

  85. 85 CJW 16/01/2013 at 7:29 pm

    Well said—but here’s the problem with your argument.

    Your three bullets (and the first in particular) describe exactly how our current administration thinks gov’t *should* operate. Take a look at how overburdened the US is right now with inscrutable executive regulations written by faceless, unaccountable, bureaucratic lawyers drawn from the ranks of Alinskyite aparatchiks (might as well be Cuba and Venezuela) and you will see why Obama and his minions think the EU sounds like a perfectly good place for you!

  86. 86 Brian H 26/01/2013 at 6:22 am

    Foolish person. And naive letter. Obama sees his next stage as ruler of the Supranational Government. He’s all in favour of expanding its powers.

  1. 1 Instapundit » Blog Archive » “SMART DIPLOMACY:” Meddling White House Wants Britain To Stay In European Union. I like this Bri… Trackback on 15/01/2013 at 1:42 pm
  2. 2 The Master Has Spoken - Page 14 - I don't feel 50 Forums Trackback on 15/01/2013 at 2:16 pm
  3. 3 Transterrestrial Musings - An Open Letter To The Obama Administration Trackback on 15/01/2013 at 3:40 pm
  4. 4 US, EU Governments Two Peas In a Pod | Daily Pundit Trackback on 15/01/2013 at 3:42 pm
  5. 5 The globalists are worried so they pile on yet more EuroFUD | Autonomous Mind Trackback on 28/05/2013 at 11:06 am
Comments are currently closed.

Enter your email address below

The Harrogate Agenda Explained

Email AM

Bloggers for an Independent UK

STOR Scandal

Autonomous Mind Archive

%d bloggers like this: