EU responsibility for scale of flooding has been laid out clearly, but…

I don’t know the truth to the extent the Environment Agency is now bound by European Union rules and laws, I just don’t know, which is why we need to have a public inquiry.

    Nigel Farage

32 Responses to “EU responsibility for scale of flooding has been laid out clearly, but…”

  1. 1 odeston 10/02/2014 at 3:03 pm

    Nigel – What IS the matter with you? Incomprehensible double bluff, water on the brain? Don’t lose it now, and you can take that whichever way is appropriate………

  2. 2 Richard North 10/02/2014 at 3:10 pm

    What a total Muppet … is that the best he can do?

  3. 3 Jabba Le Chat (@JabbaLeChat) 10/02/2014 at 3:55 pm

    Oh dear, Niggle Mirage demonstrating his shallow populism again…taxi for Nigel…

  4. 4 mikebravo 10/02/2014 at 4:48 pm

    Is he doing a Carswell on us? Has he been offered some silver and a nice title?

  5. 5 tux1952 10/02/2014 at 4:55 pm

    Obviously he needs a decent researcher…

  6. 6 cosmic 10/02/2014 at 5:01 pm

    UKIP don’t know about the extent to which UK government is bound by EU rules and laws. Incredible. I thought one of their main reasons for being was to find out such things and point them out, as part of the wider argument for leaving the EU.

    The only mystery here is the extent to which agencies within the UK government were pushing in Brussels to bring about these directives which are now so onerous. It seems obvious that they didn’t spring out of nowhere and we are looking at an incestuous and opaque process.

    The original purpose claimed for UKIP having MEPs was to find out what was being hatched in Brussels and report back.

    A public enquiry sounds pretty good, but we’ve seen enough of them in the past; hand pick the leader as a safe pair of hands, set the terms of reference carefully, a few million quid and some months later when the fuss has died down, out pops the conclusion you want. In this case, it’s certain that the EU aspect would be photo-shopped out.

  7. 7 JimS 10/02/2014 at 5:40 pm

    Even George Monbiot gets it. [Radio 2: Jeremy Vine Show 10 Feb 2014]

  8. 8 mikebravo 10/02/2014 at 6:24 pm

    It all seems perfectly clear really.
    If the politicians, their mouthpieces and the media know about the EU dimension but refuse to mention it, and censor it from news discussions it must be because they are afraid of the information getting out.
    If the “bewildered herd” knew about how far down the road towards the US of E we were there might be trouble.
    If the bovine masses woke up from their stupor we might actually have a real debate about whether we should leave or not.
    If the floods don’t go down soon we will need a major new distraction to divert the voting fodder.

  9. 9 Danny 10/02/2014 at 10:04 pm

    Quick, find an excuse to bash UKIP, any excuse, quick.
    Instead of ripping into him, get your message out there yourselves… claim to be the fucking experts.

  10. 10 andy5759 10/02/2014 at 10:06 pm

    He knows, and understands. He knows that most, if not all, UK agencies are under the Euro thumb, he understands that, for his party to announce the truth would be for the truth to be dismissed. Far better to have a public enquiry, where the truth would be seen, or clearly seen to be ignored.

    The Treaty of Rome was not written in a day, and requires more than a day to dismantle.

  11. 11 Autonomous Mind 10/02/2014 at 10:44 pm

    If you hadn’t noticed Danny, that exactly what we have done on our blogs. That’s why you’re here commenting you bloody moron. If UKIP did its bloody job we could be praising it and promoting the information it shared.

    Farage is supposed to be the professional with staff, resources, large sums of money, media platform etc, so what’s his bloody excuse? Don’t take your embarrassment at your leader’s rank incompetence out on us. If you don’t like it, piss off somewhere else. (Is that profane enough or do you want to lower your level further?)

  12. 12 Autonomous Mind 10/02/2014 at 10:47 pm

    So he has basically lied to the media, Andy? Great. Just another politician.

    Keep the excuses coming. As for an enquiry, what likelihood the facts Farage is avoiding will simply be discounted? Waste of bloody time.

  13. 13 Angel Integer 10/02/2014 at 11:31 pm

    I don’t normally comment but I can’t help myself. This is the most deluded, cult-like thinking I have seen from any UKIP supporter so far. Farage knows of the EU dimension but is lying because he has a secret plan to reveal the truth to the masses via a public inquiry instead? Unbelievable.

  14. 14 Edward. 11/02/2014 at 12:40 am

    A gaping own goal, the defenders are out of position the goalkeeper has been flattened…………….Farage opposing No9 with the goal at his mercy……… slips and misses with the bloody ball on the goal line!

    Stupid little boy, “bring on someone who knows what he is doing” – screams the crowd.

  15. 15 Peter S 11/02/2014 at 2:22 am

    AM – if you’re going to quote Mr Farage, you might at least make the effort to quote what he said accurately –

    “I don’t know the truth of the extent to which the Environment Agency is now bound by European Union rules and laws. I just don’t know. That’s why we need to have a public inquiry.”

    What Mr Farage is saying, of course, is no different to what Dr North and Mr Booker have also been saying. That is: it is unclear to what degree the floods in Somerset have been caused by the EU directives to which the UK is bound, or by a series of policies devised and enacted by the EA in response to its obligation to meet those directives.

    Perhaps if you calmed down a little you might include yourself with those above as having something intelligent (and intelligible) to contribute.

  16. 16 Autonomous Mind 11/02/2014 at 6:25 am

    The quote, Peter, was taken directly from the Telegraph who published it, which you can see for yourself if you follow the link. There is nothing there that changes the context in any way.

    I wasn’t aware that the man of the people needed other people to translate what he actually meant to say for him. There do seem to be a lot of Farage Fans who spend a lot of time trying to interpret what he actually meant to say.

    But saying that this is identical to North and Booker’s line is bull. It is perfectly clear to them how the directives have brought this about.

    I must say, it is nice to see the most bitter Farage-loving trolls coming out of hibernation, what with you and Dan and your little friends landing here to defend your man. Touching.

  17. 17 Ken Adams 11/02/2014 at 7:41 am

    I usually comment that RN and AM pick on UKIP unfairly, but this time they are right. Farage should have know the details of how the Environment agency is tied by EU rules and he should be out there taking the lead and making that point.

  18. 18 Peter S 11/02/2014 at 10:57 am

    AM. The quote – which I’ve taken straight from the horse’s mouth (rather than cutting and pasting stuff from the Berkeley Beano) – doesn’t need ‘translating’, it just requires unpacking.

    Clearly, a public inquiry into the cause of the flooding would seek to discover the extent to which EA was ‘acting on EU orders’ – OR – the extent to which it was using those orders as an excuse to implement its own ecoloon policies.

    EU directives are legally binding – but it is up to each member state to choose how, where, and to what degree, they are complied with. In the narrow window of an interview for a mainstream news show, Mr Farage encapsulated this very well. His comments were thought-provoking… for anyone who places more value on thinking than ranting.

  19. 19 Richard North 11/02/2014 at 1:33 pm

    @ PeterS I wouldn’t bother “unpacking”. With the lamentable performance of your hero, UKIP isn’t going to be around long enough to make a difference. But it is hugely entertaining to watch you squirm at his admission of profound ignorance.

    For the rest of us though, we would expect an MEP leading a supposedly anti-EU party, with 15 years behind him in the European Parliament, to know exactly the extent to which the Environment Agency was bound by EU law. If he needs a public inquiry to tell him that, what has he been doing for the last 15 years?

  20. 20 cosmic 11/02/2014 at 2:26 pm

    The tragedy in Somerset is a text book illustration of all the things which UKIP is supposed to be there to change, handed to them on a plate.

    Westminster reduced to a useless talk shop full of idiots, idlers and cheats. Three political parties “you can’t put a fag paper between”, who engage in ritualised jousting, but are involved in a conspiracy of silence about numerous things, but particularly the EU.

    A vast and hugely wasteful wider government including pressure groups, activists and others who set the agenda, completely outside of democratic control and for that matter, largely outside Westminster control. In this case it’s caused an obvious, needless tragedy, but it’s causing others.

    The dead hand of the EU underlining our lack of independence and inability to do anything about it. Note that it isn’t exactly a case of Johnny Foreigner ordering John Bull about in his own house either. It’s far more involved.

    UKIP are supposed to be leading us out of this and their response has been pathetic, not just in terms of what Farage has had to say.

  21. 21 Autonomous Mind 11/02/2014 at 6:02 pm

    Peter, you criticise my accuracy for two missing words even though I cut and paste the quote, yet you can’t even spell Barclay Brother Beano correctly.

    A public inquiry will focus on costs and budgets. The EU will barely get a mention.

    Another piece of inaccurate nonsense from you:

    EU directives are legally binding – but it is up to each member state to choose how, where, and to what degree, they are complied with.

    That is WRONG. EU directives are binding, the only scope a member state has is how to implement them in full. There is no leeway about the degree to which they are complied with. Given you don’t even have that level of understanding, do us a favour and spare us your rubbish.

  22. 22 Peter S 11/02/2014 at 11:35 pm

    AM – but Mr Farage is calling for a public inquiry into “the extent to which the Environment Agency is now bound by European Union rules and laws”.

    Should there ever be such an inquiry, the million dollar question addressed to the EA would be: “Had you acted to dredge the waterways and rivers within the Somerset Levels catchment annually, and had you maintained a fully operation set of water pumps within the area, would those actions have fallen within the current EU directives to which you have a legal obligation to comply?”

    Undoubtedly, the (reluctant) answer given to the public will be: “Yes”. This is where Mr Farage is WAY ahead of you.

  23. 23 Autonomous Mind 12/02/2014 at 6:16 am

    Peter, just who is going to ask this question, how many members of the public will be watching and which media is going to make an issue of it? If Farage had not called for an inquiry, I guarantee you would not be in favour of it. Farage has missed the boat, again.

    The information could already have been made a major issue and a key part of the news cycle. But Farage has blown it with his confused response and instead the blogs lead the way while he decides what new message he wants to throw out there today. While the response to the flooding is vital, many have been asking why the situation is as bad as it is, and the EU dimension could have been put front and centre, but has instead been hidden from sight because the media has been allowed to ignore it.

  24. 24 Richard North 12/02/2014 at 9:02 am

    @AM In PeterS, you are dealing with the mind of a true believer. It starts from the premise that The Great Leader can do no wrong, and works from there. Thus, Farage’s crass, lacklustre response has been transformed into an act of undistilled brilliance. Nothing any of us can say will make the slightest bit of difference to that mindset.

    This is yet more evidence of the cult-like properties of UKIP. One cannot argue with the acolytes. The only thing that can be done is to de-programme them.

  25. 25 Peter S 12/02/2014 at 10:53 am

    AM – “…just who is going to ask this question, how many members of the public will be watching and which media is going to make an issue of it?”

    I’d like to think Mr Farage has someone like Dr North in mind to ask this question at a public inquiry. And, I’m sure the answer would be widely broadcast as a national scandal.

    Dr North – Mr Farage is no hero of mine. But I do admire men of intellect and vision. The only comparable public figure I can think of in recent times is Steve Jobs… and the two men have shared similar qualities (both positive and negative). The UKIP leader and the party he leads are simply good-enough for me – and anyone who just wants to move forward in life can’t ask for much more than that.

  26. 28 Will Rees 12/02/2014 at 4:02 pm

    Would have tied him to more of the same and start looking at the fact water problems are different – so no real help or hinderence. It is how ever a stick to beat UKIP with and the media do love a stick….

    Pro UKIP on the comments saying its a non story, dull move you have the left effectively admitting its an EU competence let them run with it. AM and You have been complaining mainstream media aren’t covering the EU bit, a Political Scrapbook bit is a nice bit of bait

  27. 29 Richard North 12/02/2014 at 7:49 pm

    @Peter S “I’d like to think Mr Farage has someone like Dr North in mind to ask this question at a public inquiry. And, I’m sure the answer would be widely broadcast as a national scandal.”

    This is amateur politics. The primary purpose of such inquiries is to kick issues into the long grass and, in the short-term, neutralise hostile questions. Any minister worth his (her) salt will ensure that the committee chair in a a safe pair of hands. The Terms of reference will be carefully framed, the agendas tightly controlled and and witnesses strictly managed. Then, the essence of a public enquiry is to deliver the answers that the minister wants … or that he can dump on his successor.

    The idea that an outsider (or rank amateur) such as Farage can either control or dictate the course of an inquiry lies in the realms of fantasy politics. It is not anything a serious politician would consider as a means of getting answers to questions.

  28. 30 Adam Hiley 20/02/2014 at 9:41 pm

    I call on People to forget UKP and unite by declaring Non-Violent Revolution to finally throw out the 3 useless old Political Parties once & for all Immediate withdrawal from the EU&ECHR no Referendum oh and lets keep the disgusting Labour Party out of Government

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